[el_magnifico]

I think they made an error, or a simple imposed limitation of getting an accurate reading on the general populace, in assuming those taking the test would not be widely read.

Exactly. I don't consider myself as hostile towards women as individuals, but I do have a really bad opinion on feminism.
But then again, I usually have a bad opinion towards all kinds of radical collectivism in general.

[General Battuta]

I think they made an error, or a simple imposed limitation of getting an accurate reading on the general populace, in assuming those taking the test would not be widely read.

Exactly. I don't consider myself as hostile towards women as individuals, but I do have a really bad opinion on feminism.
But then again, I usually have a bad opinion towards all kinds of radical collectivism in general.

\

Since when is feminism 'radical collectivism'?

Somewhere along the line the PR got out of control. Odds are that you and just about everyone you know are feminists.

[el_magnifico]

I think they made an error, or a simple imposed limitation of getting an accurate reading on the general populace, in assuming those taking the test would not be widely read.

Exactly. I don't consider myself as hostile towards women as individuals, but I do have a really bad opinion on feminism.
But then again, I usually have a bad opinion towards all kinds of radical collectivism in general.

\

Since when is feminism 'radical collectivism'?

Somewhere along the line the PR got out of control. Odds are that you and just about everyone you know are feminists.

I'm totally aware feminism has moderate and radical branches, just like any other political or social movement.
And yet still, I've yet to come across at least only one declared feminist who doesn't starts attacking me the very moment they see me.
Once, when I was a child, it went as far as a feminist woman preventing me from taking a bus to my school because I was a male, so I was inferior and didn't deserved it.
Okay. What.. the.. ****...

[Androgeos Exeunt]

When males say hi, they mean it. When females say hi, however, they do a quick scan of the person they are saying hi to.

[General Battuta]

I think they made an error, or a simple imposed limitation of getting an accurate reading on the general populace, in assuming those taking the test would not be widely read.

Exactly. I don't consider myself as hostile towards women as individuals, but I do have a really bad opinion on feminism.
But then again, I usually have a bad opinion towards all kinds of radical collectivism in general.

\

Since when is feminism 'radical collectivism'?

Somewhere along the line the PR got out of control. Odds are that you and just about everyone you know are feminists.

I'm totally aware feminism has moderate and radical branches, just like any other political or social movement.
And yet still, I've yet to come across at least only one declared feminist who doesn't starts attacking me the very moment they see me.
Once, when I was a child, it went as far as a feminist woman preventing me from taking a bus to my school because I was a male, so I was inferior and didn't deserved it.
Okay. What.. the.. ****...

That's sexism, not feminism.

When males say hi, they mean it. When females say hi, however, they do a quick scan of the person they are saying hi to.

What?

Is this an attempt at some coherent point or are you just here to make stupid generalizations about every woman in the world?

Also, don't you mean 'men' and 'women'? Or are you seriously saying this is biological?

[Kosh]

Hostile Sexism Score: 1.64
Benevolent Sexism Score: 0.91

[General Battuta]

My own inventory is hostile .36, benevolent .27.

But the scale is pretty transparent and somewhat confounded by the issue of homosexuality awareness.

[Kosh]

I'm shocked, it's above zero.

[Droid803]

Apparently, according to that test, being neutral on the subject makes you sexist :/

[el_magnifico]

I think they made an error, or a simple imposed limitation of getting an accurate reading on the general populace, in assuming those taking the test would not be widely read.

Exactly. I don't consider myself as hostile towards women as individuals, but I do have a really bad opinion on feminism.
But then again, I usually have a bad opinion towards all kinds of radical collectivism in general.

\

Since when is feminism 'radical collectivism'?

Somewhere along the line the PR got out of control. Odds are that you and just about everyone you know are feminists.

I'm totally aware feminism has moderate and radical branches, just like any other political or social movement.
And yet still, I've yet to come across at least only one declared feminist who doesn't starts attacking me the very moment they see me.
Once, when I was a child, it went as far as a feminist woman preventing me from taking a bus to my school because I was a male, so I was inferior and didn't deserved it.
Okay. What.. the.. ****...

That's sexism, not feminism.

Fair enough, then the term, at least in Argentina, is widely used in a wrong way. Maybe self-proclaimed feminist was more accurate in this case. For future discussions, is Misandry the correct word for "sexism against males" in English?

[General Battuta]

I'm shocked, it's above zero.

Don't be. As a stereotype researcher I do my best to answer these questions in a manner that reflects the attitudes I think I actually hold, not the attitudes I want to hold.

Most of your beliefs are fed to you by simple exposure, prototype formation, and shaky heuristics. If you're told something often enough, you'll believe it on some level.

And our culture is sopping with attitudes about women that aren't exactly friendly.

This is why people should take the IAT.

Fair enough, then the term, at least in Argentina, is widely used in a wrong way. Maybe self-proclaimed feminist was more accurate in this case. For future discussions, is Misandry the correct word for "sexism against males" in English?

Yes, that is the correct term. The belief that women are superior to men isn't feminism, it's hate.

[el_magnifico]

Fair enough, then the term, at least in Argentina, is widely used in a wrong way. Maybe self-proclaimed feminist was more accurate in this case. For future discussions, is Misandry the correct word for "sexism against males" in English?

Yes, that is the correct term. The belief that women are superior to men isn't feminism, it's hate.

OK.

Spanish lacks an equivalent term to misandry, so we use "feminismo" (feminism), which is the opposite to "machismo" (literal translation: maleism), which is in turn used as an informal term for "misogyny". I had read about the term misandry before, but all the translators, dictionaries and spell checkers, that I used to check my post flagged the term as unknown. Hence the confusion.

[General Battuta]

Sounds reasonable to me. 

[el_magnifico]

I redid the test with this new information in mind. However, I'm confused. I wasn't expecting any modifications on the Benevolent sexism indicator. I was probably subconsciously influenced by the previous results.

Hostile Sexism Score:  0.45
Benevolent Sexism Score: 0.18

I'm going to arbitrarily settle with a mix of the two results:

Hostile Sexism Score:  0.45
Benevolent Sexism Score: 0.55

[Qent]

Those IATs are very interesting. I took the sexuality one. I don't know if it works, but it sure makes the self-evaluation look like a joke.

How hard is it to fake IAT results?

[General Battuta]

It does (probably) work - implicit attitude scores predict a number of interesting behavioral components. We as a field are still trying to figure out exactly how powerful the prediction is.

For example, if you give someone an explicit measure of prejudice against Black persons, and an IAT measuring implicit prejudice against Black persons, something interesting happens.

The explicit measure will predict how biased their conversation with a Black person is, as judged by a blind panel - how hostile they seem, for instance.

The implicit IAT measure, however, will predict how far away they sit, how many nervous stumbles they make in their speech, how much eye contact they make...all the subconscious stuff that the conversational partner can pick up.

Faking them is, as far as I know, next to impossible, barring systematic delays on contrastereotypic associations to exaggerate the bias. I don't immediately see any way to cheat in the reduced-bias direction.

[karajorma]

But the scale is pretty transparent and somewhat confounded by the issue of homosexuality awareness.

Yeah. I noticed that too.

As for the IAT, I'm wondering how much the way it is presented is biasing the results. The test with male and liberal sciences together comes before the one with male and science. Unless the results are being adjusted there are going to be slower, more inaccurate responses the first time round simply because it is the first time we are doing the combined test.

Hopefully they are correcting for that but I do have to wonder if they took two groups and split them up based on which way round the test was presented if there would be a difference.

[Qent]

I felt like it could have been the opposite: the first association gets me thinking of those things together, and then I'm still thinking like that in the next round.

[mister J]

Hostile Sexism Score:  2.73
Benevolent Sexism Score: 1.45

wow. 

[Kosh]

Hostile Sexism Score:  0.45
Benevolent Sexism Score: 0.18

See? You're a feminist.

Hostile Sexism Score:  2.73
Benevolent Sexism Score: 1.45

wow. 

Wow you suck