[el_magnifico]

Well if it was a male child, you'd probably react just as strongly as if it were a woman. That's pretty much the reason "benevolent" sexism sucks so hard. It reduces women to children in the mind of society.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure. I know a child probably can't harm me. The same doesn't holds true for a woman.
But even then, I have this strong attraction to women who I know are strong, or have a strong mindset or character. i don't know exactly why.

[Flipside]

The problem with gallantry is that many men are raised in the real belief that they are being genuinely respectful with attitudes like 'women and children first!', rather than a little condescending, as though, if there were a disaster, only men would be capable of dealing with it. But you need to be careful with passive sexism, I agree that it is a problem, but not every male who displays it is doing it to offend you, some do it purely because it's been coded into them through layer upon layer of social pressure. For some men, it's a method of showing attraction, to be overly attentive to their intended mate, kind of like how a male pigeon will constantly herd his chosen partner and be incredibly over-protective around other males, it's a mixture of social pressure and genetic coding, think of it as part of the amazingly complex human mating ritual, one that, just like with the pigeon, doesn't always impress the intended mate

[iamzack]

I don't get offended unless I'm sure the behavior is on purpose. However, I do think less of a guy who doesn't think that kind of thing through. On a sinking ship, if some guy decides my vagina (and by this I mean he isn't giving up his seat out of the kindness of his heart, but purely because I'm female) makes me worth more than him, I'm not going to debate him on it. I'm going to take his seat and be glad there are fewer morons in the world.

Well if it was a male child, you'd probably react just as strongly as if it were a woman. That's pretty much the reason "benevolent" sexism sucks so hard. It reduces women to children in the mind of society.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure. I know a child probably can't harm me. The same doesn't holds true for a woman.

I meant protecting behaviors. You'd protect a woman much like you'd protect a child.

[el_magnifico]

Well if it was a male child, you'd probably react just as strongly as if it were a woman. That's pretty much the reason "benevolent" sexism sucks so hard. It reduces women to children in the mind of society.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure. I know a child probably can't harm me. The same doesn't holds true for a woman.

I meant protecting behaviors. You'd protect a woman much like you'd protect a child.

I was actually addressing your post as a whole.
To be more clear, no, I would not protect a woman in the same way I would protect a child. And if I had to choose between protecting a random woman and a random child if their lives where in danger, then I'm sorry, but I would expect an adult person to be able to protect herself.

Not that that says much though, since I rarely protect strangers (yes, I'm a **** of a person).

[Kosh]

Well if it was a male child, you'd probably react just as strongly as if it were a woman. That's pretty much the reason "benevolent" sexism sucks so hard. It reduces women to children in the mind of society.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure. I know a child probably can't harm me. The same doesn't holds true for a woman.
But even then, I have this strong attraction to women who I know are strong, or have a strong mindset or character. i don't know exactly why.

Some children most certainly could if they get hold of a weapon.

[el_magnifico]

Well if it was a male child, you'd probably react just as strongly as if it were a woman. That's pretty much the reason "benevolent" sexism sucks so hard. It reduces women to children in the mind of society.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure. I know a child probably can't harm me. The same doesn't holds true for a woman.
But even then, I have this strong attraction to women who I know are strong, or have a strong mindset or character. i don't know exactly why.

Some children most certainly could if they get hold of a weapon.

That's why I said probably. Children are commonly used for criminal acts in Argentina because they theoretically can't be held accountable for their acts, and so they can't be judged under the current law.
What I was trying to say is that children actually need some extra protection. Women don't. Otherwise, they would not be able to be police officers or military personnel. Which brings us back to the original topic.

Damn, that "brings us back to the original topic" twist was really funny to say.

[Colonol Dekker]

This is THE weekend which will define my military career. It's literally life changing, groundbreaking and history making. (Copyright)
 
 
Wish I could say more but I can't. Big wheels are in motion, and i'm duct taped to one of the largest.

[Dilmah G]

This is THE weekend which will define my military career. It's literally life changing, groundbreaking and history making. (Copyright)
 
 
Wish I could say more but I can't. Big wheels are in motion, and i'm duct taped to one of the largest.

* Dilmah G stands to attention.

or military personnel.

Which now brings us back to the original topic, because well, women can't be frontline infantry at the moment. Though the US has no problem with them being Fast-Jet pilots (and makes it easier than the rest of the world to get people into fast-jet squadrons). And I mean, girls have to be so 'guy-like' to fit into the world of fighters, I don't see how fitting into infantry units would be exponentially harder.

It's not as if suddenly breaking down the gender barrier is going to make all the 'girly-girls' who have issues skipping their daily shower and would miserably eat **** in the military want to join anyway.

[Kosh]

Girly girls are a product of society, imo.

[Dilmah G]

Yeah, agreed with that.

[Nuclear1]

And I mean, girls have to be so 'guy-like' to fit into the world of fighters, I don't see how fitting into infantry units would be exponentially harder.

I would disagree.  Honestly, if you knew half the female pilots and navs I do, you'd be hard-pressed to find more than one or two that aren't girly-girls.  Bear in mind most pilots/navs are either Academy or university grads, so other than hitting the gym more, there's not much to differentiate them from ordinary girly-girls.

Apart from them being off-limits to some of us...

It's not as if suddenly breaking down the gender barrier is going to make all the 'girly-girls' who have issues skipping their daily shower and would miserably eat **** in the military want to join anyway.

Eh, even for enlisted folk, once the screaming and stress of Basic is over, it's back to hair, shoes, and clubs.  Seriously, this place is less Offutt AFB then it is Offutt University sometimes.

[el_magnifico]

or military personnel.

Which now brings us back to the original topic

See? You just have to say it.

[Colonol Dekker]

* Colonol Dekker reads above posts and spots his one.

 
Onoz.
That was meant to in WHIYL.
 

[Dilmah G]

Really? Well we have no female FJ pilots here (even though it's open to females) and there are only a few women on each pilots course anyway, so I guess it creates a "Deal with the constant swearing, drinking, and smoking, or get the **** out." environment. The only woman whose character I know of to some extent who made it through selection as a Navy pilot candidate was a bit of a girly-girl as well, or at least she came off a little that way. But being a predominantly male career field, dealing with that is probably part of the job description for girls anyway.

[Kosh]

Yeah, agreed with that.

So if you were to have a daughter, how do you realisticly make sure she wont turn into that?

[StarSlayer]

Yeah, agreed with that.

So if you were to have a daughter, how do you realisticly make sure she wont turn into that?

Raise her like a male child.

[el_magnifico]

Yeah, agreed with that.

So if you were to have a daughter, how do you realisticly make sure she wont turn into that?

Raise her like a male child.

What about raising her like any other human being, motivating her spirit to reach her full potential, and promoting her independence and independent thought, regardless of gender.

Oh, wait... that would be reasonable.

[Bob-san]

Yeah, agreed with that.

So if you were to have a daughter, how do you realisticly make sure she wont turn into that?

Raise her like a male child.

What about raising her like any other human being, motivating her spirit to reach her full potential, and promoting her independence and independent thought, regardless of gender.

Oh, wait... that would be reasonable.

Personal identity is, apparently, hardwired; having girl parts usually means you'll identify as a girl, having boy parts usually means you'll identify as a boy. For example, raising a boy in a dress with pretty shoes and Barbie dolls is more likely to produce a confused, suicidal boy than a raised transsexual.

[el_magnifico]

Yeah, agreed with that.

So if you were to have a daughter, how do you realisticly make sure she wont turn into that?

Raise her like a male child.

What about raising her like any other human being, motivating her spirit to reach her full potential, and promoting her independence and independent thought, regardless of gender.

Oh, wait... that would be reasonable.

Personal identity is, apparently, hardwired; having girl parts usually means you'll identify as a girl, having boy parts usually means you'll identify as a boy. For example, raising a boy in a dress with pretty shoes and Barbie dolls is more likely to produce a confused, suicidal boy than a raised transsexual.

Hmmm... no, you didn't get what I was trying to say. Maybe I wasn't clear. But I can't rewrite it or elaborate upon it now, since I'm a bit busy at the moment. So I'll do it later.

[iamzack]

Children don't know the difference that young. Little girls AND boys mimic their parents. That means little boys stealing mommy's lipstick and little girls stealing daddy's hammer, to make the situation as stereotypical as possible. Kids don't give a **** about the difference between "boy" and "girl" until adults start telling them "no, you can't wear a dress because you're a boy" or "no, you can't play in the mud because you're a girl."