[General Battuta]

So, I'm curious here. What's the difference between expressing my opinion that FS1 is a comparatively shoddy piece of work and bashing FS1?

There is no difference. It's called "Trolling".

Trolling is intentionally bringing up a topic in order to inflame opinions, cause anger, and generally wreak havoc.

This topic came up in the course of a multi-hundred-page-thread. Someone else brought it up, not me.

You're going to have to work pretty hard to define that as trolling.

Seems to me like your definition of trolling is 'expressing an opinion I don't much like'. Let's just drop the topic and move on.

[Snail]

Expressing an opinion in a way that is intentionally inflammatory, now that's trolling. Trolling isn't necessarily bringing up the topic, in this case I'd say it's injecting comments you knew were likely to cause offense into a perfectly reasonable discussion.

[General Battuta]

Expressing an opinion in a way that is intentionally inflammatory, now that's trolling. Trolling isn't necessarily bringing up the topic, in this case I'd say it's injecting comments you knew were likely to cause offense into a perfectly reasonable discussion.

The fact that the opinion is inflammatory doesn't inherently make it less valid. The aim is not to cause offense, it's to express an opinion.

This is a masturbatory meta-discussion, and as far as I can tell, the point is that you don't like it and you want it to stooooop.

[Snail]

No, the point is that your inability to respect other people's opinions and dismissing or ridiculing them as if they're not even worth considering is going a stretch too far.

[Marcov]

Back to topic, anyone?

[Mongoose]

Consider this a strong suggestion to cool this conversation down a notch.  Take it to PMs or IRC if you like, but keep the near-flames out of here.

[General Battuta]

No, the point is that your inability to respect other people's opinions and dismissing or ridiculing them as if they're not even worth considering is going a stretch too far.

If they weren't worth considering I wouldn't consider them.

As it is, I'm considering them. The fact that you don't like the outcome puts the proverbial ball in your park.

[Dilmah G]

Second Mongoose's request, and recommend you two drop the topic... For now at least.

Back to topic, anyone?

Count me in, mate. 

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I wonder if the guy who did Lt. Ash's voice did any other voice roles for FS1.

[Dilmah G]

I haven't heard McCarthy in a while, but methinks the two *could* have been played by the same VA.

[Marcov]

There's nothing much wrong about his over-dramatic voice, but it makes more sense if the pilot was like a newbie, who isn't used to fighting, so he's panicking the hell out of himself.

[Dilmah G]

Well, his callsign would place him about Gamma 3, wouldn't it? I mean, for all we know, he probably is.

[Marcov]

Well, his callsign would place him about Gamma 3, wouldn't it? I mean, for all we know, he probably is.

But he's still a Lieutenant, somewhere near the rank of Cordova or even Christopher Pike (*cough* sorry, Snipes). Look at how confident they speak, in briefings? And can you imagine them screaming like Lt. Ash?

[Iss Mneur]

Well, his callsign would place him about Gamma 3, wouldn't it? I mean, for all we know, he probably is.

But he's still a Lieutenant, somewhere near the rank of Cordova or even Christopher Pike (*cough* sorry, Snipes). Look at how confident they speak, in briefings? And can you imagine them screaming like Lt. Ash?

Well, that would make for a good reason that he is still Gamma 3 wouldn't it? He has been promoted but still is not in control of himself, so he doesn't get a wing.

[Ravenholme]

Well, his callsign would place him about Gamma 3, wouldn't it? I mean, for all we know, he probably is.

But he's still a Lieutenant, somewhere near the rank of Cordova or even Christopher Pike (*cough* sorry, Snipes). Look at how confident they speak, in briefings? And can you imagine them screaming like Lt. Ash?

If they were the buggers involved in first contact with the shivans, then... yeah, actually, I could. Let's see, Black and red ships that you (realistically) could barely see, you can't target, when you hit them your weapons do nothing, oh and they just wiped the floor with your wing, and the Vasudan ships you were skirmishing with, with indecent ease.

Yeah, I think they'd be pretty terrified too.

[Scotty]

It'd be the equivalent of being ambushed by destroyers as fast as you are with nothing but AAAf beams in FS2 terms for all they could do against them.

I'd be pretty flipping terrified.

[SypheDMar]

Well, his callsign would place him about Gamma 3, wouldn't it? I mean, for all we know, he probably is.

I don't think that means anything. Alpha 1 was of a lesser rank than Alpha 2 in the first mission of FS1, and Alpha 1 in FS2 was just a grunt until much later in the game.

There's nothing much wrong about his over-dramatic voice, but it makes more sense if the pilot was like a newbie, who isn't used to fighting, so he's panicking the hell out of himself.

It'd be too natural for a newbie pilot to be scared, but to scare off a trained soldier would need more effort. Ash being scared out of his mind says a lot more about the Shivans more than a scared rookie.

That said, aren't lieutenants a pretty low rank, anyway? For Air Forces FreeSpace ranking.

[TopAce]

I don't think V gave much thought to Ash's rank. If you wanted to convey the idea of a scared veteran, you might as well put a Leviathan in that will be vaporized in a more spectacular manner than the Taurus in Out of the Dark, Into the Night.

[Scotty]

That said, aren't lieutenants a pretty low rank, anyway? For Air Forces FreeSpace ranking.

Lieutenants in a naval force are roughly equivalent to Captains in the Army.  Think company sized unit CO.

[SpardaSon21]

Yeah, but pilots are always officers, which is why you start as an ensign before becoming a lieutenant, however you are still a pilot so you pretty much have no authority in the chain of command.