[captain-custard]

I decided to bring this debate to the EsperNet help channel. The channel admin that responded to my query seems to agree with Fury, so there we go.

Why did you do that , were you looking for a brownie point or were you looking to just tag the Hard-light irc channel as a trouble makers zone ..... im sorry but this IMHO is a very stupid move

[The E]

I decided to bring this debate to the EsperNet help channel. The channel admin that responded to my query seems to agree with Fury, so there we go.

Why did you do that , were you looking for a brownie point or were you looking to just tag the Hard-light irc channel as a trouble makers zone ..... im sorry but this IMHO is a very stupid move

He was asking one of the authorities of esper.net if what we were doing was OK. In other words, he was removing ambiguity from this discussion by getting a clear policy statement from the guys who are actually in charge.
This is not "looking for brownie points", or "getting us all in trouble". I trust Andro that he presented the case clearly and that he made sure to stress the fact that #hard-light is not a habitual den of troublemakers. Have a little respect and trust in your fellow netizens, would you?

[QuantumDelta]

Actually simply the fact that he brought it forward would suggest we're not typically that kind of channel

[Aardwolf]

Lame.

[chief1983]

I don't know about forum bans for IRC behavior, but I will so ban your ass in IRC for acting a fool in here

[Marcov]

That would usually be the case, but this time this particular idiot admitted of
1) Creating a crack
2) Distributing said crack

It's not exactly what an average joe would, or could do. Which makes it that much more serious of an offence.

 

Lol.

I can see no reason why you should ban him from the forum. In fact, you should've warned him about the rules first, or even told him to delete it. I mean, ban someone from a forum just because he said something that's barely related to FreeSpace? Please.

[Dilmah G]

As any cop will tell you, ignorance of the law is no excuse. If the forum has rules, I don't object to them being enforced.

[The E]

That would usually be the case, but this time this particular idiot admitted of
1) Creating a crack
2) Distributing said crack

It's not exactly what an average joe would, or could do. Which makes it that much more serious of an offence.

 

Lol.

I can see no reason why you should ban him from the forum. In fact, you should've warned him about the rules first, or even told him to delete it. I mean, ban someone from a forum just because he said something that's barely related to FreeSpace? Please.

Have you read this thread? Like, AT ALL? Or did you just post the very first thing that popped up in your head after reading the first two or three posts?

[TopAce]

Discussion and distribution of pirated material is evidently against the rules. It's not like you used leet language in a community that doesn't like it.

[Marcov]

The thing really, was, lol. I mean after some guy says two statements, he gets banned. Funny.

I myself did a flame thread in another forum yet I was merely warned, let alone banned.

[Jeff Vader]

The thing really, was, lol. I mean after some guy says two statements, he gets banned. Funny.

Indeed. He was banned from HLP's official IRC channel for boasting about cracks and torrents and stuff. Funny indeed. The reasons for this action can be found in this very thread.

I myself did a flame thread in another forum yet I was merely warned, let alone banned.

Yeah, well, not all forums are alike. Start deliberately flaming here and you'd quickly end up at least monkeyed, if not outright banned.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I myself did a flame thread in another forum yet I was merely warned, let alone banned.

You will find that, over here, it's a lot different. We make pointed statements at each other, but those have no insult value. We're a very close-knit bunch of misfits, so think twice before starting one here. There's always at least one admin around to see things, even if you don't see them on the number of people viewing the page you're on.

[Aardwolf]

@ Jeff Vader:

I would hardly call that boasting.

@ TopAce:

Discussion is not against the rules. That's the whole reason this thread went on beyond the first 5 posts or so --- the fact that he did not actually distribute the pirated material on the IRC channel. What he did was (and remains, thanks to him getting banned before he could screw himself over by linking to it) outside of HLP's jurisdiction.

[General Battuta]

Also, HLP will not tolerate the posting of pornography or warez files anywhere on the site. However the discussion of a pornography or warez related topic is still allowed. The difference being that the former contains content or links to said content - the latter does not. If you're unsure about what you want to post and are worried may breach this rule then please contact a staff member for advice first. Ignorance of this rule does not mitigate breaking it.

When discussing topics that involve illegal activities, please keep in mind that HLP is not the place for confession and absolution. This includes piracy no matter how common it is. Any activity that could threaten current or future affiliations with any company in business, either developer or publisher will have consequences.

As tempting as the omission bias is, permitting dANGER bOY the right to freely discuss illegal activities is tantamount to endorsement by negative action. I think we've all discussed piracy at some length, but the forum guidelines make it obvious that at least a modicum of roundabout distance needs to be maintained from the topic.

Additionally, I think the forum guidelines were always intended to permit discussion of the topic - 'is pornography moral', 'what causes piracy' - but not discussion that facilitates the topic, if you see what I mean. Talking in veiled terms about what one is currently pirating is toeing the line; talking explicitly about a key role in piracy is over it.

In short, you need to maintain plausible deniability as a courtesy to the admins so they have some room . Overt action or discussion has to be addressed.

At least, that's my take on it.

[Aardwolf]

Note to self: never tell people what's on your mind.

Better yet, never talk. In fact, live in constant fear of unprovoked and indiscriminate 'justice.'

[Scotty]

Yeah, and deliberately antagonizing mods has nothing to do with that, huh?

[General Battuta]

Note to self: never tell people what's on your mind.

Better yet, never talk. In fact, live in constant fear of unprovoked and indiscriminate 'justice.'

Ah, so we've retreated to 'I can't defend my position, so I'll just state an unsupported consequence of my unsupported position?'

Glenn Beck HLP edition?

[Aardwolf]

I was being facetious.

Sarcasm tags would be awesome. I'd say we need "facetiousness" tags, but too many people would't know what that means, and wouldn't have the sense to look it up.

Made you look.

[Scotty]

You could always add them yourself.

Nah, that's way too hard[/sarcasm]

[Hades]

You could always add them yourself.

Nah, that's way too hard[/sarcasm]

And yet you still did it wrong.