[swashmebuckle]

Holy crap, this movie appears to have everything.  I can only hope against hope that it's 3 hours long and 95% cameo, and they somehow blow up Jessica Alba.  Academy Award in the bag.

[Flipside]

Must admit, when I read 'all immigrants should be sent home' on the comments on one of the YouTube videos, my first thought was "I don't think the British Isles, Spain and Holland would have the room for you all".

Maybe I'm just feeling cynical tonight

[Kosh]

Right. I am not sure, but those sources do seem just a tiny bit biased to me. Not to mention that I'd really like to see proof that the people that committed the violence were illegal immigrants.

Well the women screaming "we're going to come get you" said "we" in the context of  illegal foreign laborers, which makes it pretty clear she was an illegal. I'll admit to say all of them were is supposition, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them were illegals. Perhaps a better statement would have been "illegals and their supporters".

The ironic thing is that Kosh's approach to these issues seems to be the same as Liberator's. "The sky is falling!"

HOLY **** CHEECH MARIN

I'm seeing this movie and taking all my yard workers!

So in other words, it's okay to be racist against whites. I have a question, if the races were reversed in the film wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder about it? Why are you giving one form of racism a free pass while condemning others?

I assumed he was talking about another KKK revival. Are we seriously talking about a hispanic uprising?

Right now there's an enormous amount of anger on both sides about a lot of things, the tea party is just one manifestation of it. Kids getting sent home from school for wearing shirts with american flags on them is another. With that in mind and with the extreme political polarization occuring in the US, it doesn't seem a good idea to me to make a film like this.

[StarSlayer]

The ironic thing is that Kosh's approach to these issues seems to be the same as Liberator's. "The sky is falling!"

HOLY **** CHEECH MARIN

I'm seeing this movie and taking all my yard workers!

So in other words, it's okay to be racist against whites. I have a question, if the races were reversed in the film wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder about it? Why are you giving one form of racism a free pass while condemning others?

See I always lack a certain give a damn when you compare Jim Crowe Laws and Segregation to some slight against whites in a movie.

[The E]

There's a difference between a hispanic protagonist fighting against white opponents, and actual racism. Does he, at any point, call for the extermination of the caucasian race? Does he, at any point, kill people just for being white?

If that happens in the movie, then yes, you can call it racist. If it doesn't, I would need to hear a better argument.

[General Battuta]

The ironic thing is that Kosh's approach to these issues seems to be the same as Liberator's. "The sky is falling!"

HOLY **** CHEECH MARIN

I'm seeing this movie and taking all my yard workers!

So in other words, it's okay to be racist against whites. I have a question, if the races were reversed in the film wouldn't you be screaming bloody murder about it? Why are you giving one form of racism a free pass while condemning others?

You fail! Your mother will be VERY SAD when she sees your report card.

You can't take something someone says, then type 'in other words', and then write something

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT


(especially when the person you're ****ing around with is a racial/gender stereotype researcher)

This film is not 'racist against whites' any more than any content related to race is racist. This movie is a satire, in the tradition of exploitation cinema, of racial tension. It is a commentary on race relations. Its humor lies in describing, rather than PROscribing, action.

Secondly, it activates stereotypes pretty evenly across racial lines. The White people and the Mexicans in this trailer get fairly equivalent treatment.

Worst of all - it's funny. It's a comedy! Birth of a Nation was deadly serious. I don't think you can tell the difference because of a childhoood humorectomy. Read up on the history of blaxploitation and sexploitation films and you'll get an idea of the tradition that Machete is coming from.

You have fallen prey to a basic fallacy, because you just don't put very much thought into things before getting upset about them.

I'm gonna guess you didn't enjoy Black Dynamite very much either. I weep for you.  

(Also, the whole notion that you can just 'reverse the races' is second grade logic. There's a power gradient at work here; you can't just flip the races around and pretend it's an equivalent situation. The whole humor of Machete is the fact that white people are deporting Mexican people and the Mexican people are angry about it.)

[chief1983]

Black Dynamite was actually kinda funny.  Hooray for blaxploitation/mexploitation/sexploitation.

[General Battuta]

Black Dynamite was awesome.

I'm gonna guess Kosh hasn't seen it since we haven't had a thread about how the dark people are going to start killing the whites in their beds.

[Thaeris]

Oh goodness...

* Thaeris slaps on LOLerskates...

 

[Flipside]

Oh goodness...

* Thaeris slaps on LOLerskates...

 

My thoughts exactly, I so want to watch this movie. I have a friend whose mother was from Ecuador, I can't wait to show him this trailer

It's like the GTA IV of the immigration system

Fact is, I was raised on stuff like this, Enter the Dragon, Blacula, TNT Jackson etc, once upon a time, it was exploitation, but now actors love doing stuff like this, they'll literally bang on the studio door for the chance

[chief1983]

Yes, it's not so much exploitation when it involves blacks now, or perhaps even Latinos, but now the Arab people seem to be getting exploited quite heavily by Hollywood.  They're routinely villified and stereotyped.

[SpardaSon21]

Yes, it's not so much exploitation when it involves blacks now, or perhaps even Latinos, but now the Arab people seem to be getting exploited quite heavily by Hollywood.  They're routinely villified and stereotyped.

Latest thing I remember was "From Paris with Love", and off the top of my head I can't think of anything between that and True Lies that had evil Arab terrorists.

[Scotty]

And True Lies was well ahead of the curve, in that respect.

[General Battuta]

Yes, it's not so much exploitation when it involves blacks now, or perhaps even Latinos, but now the Arab people seem to be getting exploited quite heavily by Hollywood.  They're routinely villified and stereotyped.

Latest thing I remember was "From Paris with Love", and off the top of my head I can't think of anything between that and True Lies that had evil Arab terrorists.

Did you see Iron Man?

[SpardaSon21]

Hey, I said it was off the top of my head, meaning it was all I could think of at the time, and I suppose I honestly wasn't trying very hard.

Okay, so that's what, two recent movies out of how many?

And the movie version of The Sum of All Fears in 2002 somehow had neo-Nazis as the villains instead of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine as was written in the novel.

[General Battuta]

Well, the problem is - first, we both know there are a lot more movies and media, and second, how many movies do the opposite? The list is pretty limited.

[SpardaSon21]

I see.  So your issue is Arabs/Central Asians being used in movies and media when a generic terrorist is needed, despite them being responsible for highly visible stuff like the London bus bombings, the Times Square attempted bombing, the Pantybomber, the U.S.S. Cole bombing, the rocket attacks on Israel, 9/11, and the Madrid subway bombings.

Despite how many or few attacks they commit, the attacks they do make are the visible and noticed ones, which is why they get picked since they resonate with the public's idea of terrorists.  You're probably going to say Hollywood needs to cut it out since they're reinforcing a stereotype, but they aren't to as long as people keep paying to see movies that involve American secret agents foiling the the insidious plots of Arab/Muslim terrorists.

[Flipside]

I want a T-Shirt with that motorbike on it.

[General Battuta]

I see.  So your issue is Arabs/Central Asians being used in movies and media when a generic terrorist is needed, despite them being responsible for highly visible stuff like the London bus bombings, the Times Square attempted bombing, the Pantybomber, the U.S.S. Cole bombing, the rocket attacks on Israel, 9/11, and the Madrid subway bombings.

Despite how many or few attacks they commit, the attacks they do make are the visible and noticed ones, which is why they get picked since they resonate with the public's idea of terrorists.  You're probably going to say Hollywood needs to cut it out since they're reinforcing a stereotype, but they aren't to as long as people keep paying to see movies that involve American secret agents foiling the the insidious plots of Arab/Muslim terrorists.

Superficial nonsense.

Arabs carry out a set of significant actions in real life. A subset of that actions are terrorism. If these actions are mapped onto actions in movies without distortion, then a proportional subset of Arab characters in movies should be terrorists.

You will find that the actual proportion is larger than the accurately mapped on. That means there is something going on in the mapping process. Even if every single terrorist in every movie ever made were an Arab, this should only be a proportional subset of Arab characters.

The market argument is bull**** - you and anyone else will happily make an argument against many things the markets favor.

Also, you need to keep an eye on yourself. 'Arabs' were not responsible for any of the events you selected. Extremist Muslim terrorist groups were.

[watsisname]

Oh hey, it's Tortuga from Breaking Bad!  Except now he plays a machete-wielding badass!

****ing awesome on all counts, totally seeing this movie.