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Offline Kosh

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Looking at the trailer, I must say that it does in some ways come accross as something of a hispanic "Birth of a Nation". On one side you have white racist baby killers, and on the other side you have a paramilitary who takes the law into his own hands and kills them.


For those of you who aren't too familair with American history, "Birth of a Nation" was an ultra racist silent film made in 1915. In the film black people were portrayed as evil pillagers and killers of white men, women, and children, so the Ku Klux Klan, a white, anti minority, paramilitary organization comes in and kills the black people, rescuing whites (like I said, it was racist). The movie was largely responsible for a major revival of the KKK as more than a million white men flocked to it, drastically incresing its numbers and power, and it was able to terrorize minority communities across the country until the civil rights era 50 years later.

The point is, with the massive disenfranchisement from the political system, 20% unemployment, and with various antics illegal immigrants have been pulling in recent weeks, a film like machete will just pour gasoline on the fire.   


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So...Machete. A Mexploitation film that has been in planning ever since its debut as a fake trailer in the "Grindhouse" project by Robert Rodrigues and Quentin Tarantino. A cheesy film in the vein of El Mariachi, Desperado and Planet Terror (AKA, just like the fun films Rodriguez will make if given the chance) will be the birth of a Mexican/Hispanic insurgence movement?

Why do I have difficulty buying that?


The point is, with the massive disenfranchisement from the political system, 20% unemployment, and with various antics illegal immigrants have been pulling in recent weeks, a film like machete will just pour gasoline on the fire.   

Right. I am not sure, but those sources do seem just a tiny bit biased to me. Not to mention that I'd really like to see proof that the people that committed the violence were illegal immigrants. What I am seeing there is people getting angry about a clear instance of racial profiling being instituted as law, with open racism and suspicion among the police force not only tolerated but encouraged (Unless that paragraph that said that you could sue the Police if you thought they weren't doing a good enough job keeping the non-whites out got removed).
It's a bit of a different issue, I think.
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Offline General Battuta

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The ironic thing is that Kosh's approach to these issues seems to be the same as Liberator's. "The sky is falling!"

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I assumed he was talking about another KKK revival. Are we seriously talking about a hispanic uprising?
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Well, Kosh seems to be talking about just that.

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Offline General Battuta

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I think we need to be seriously concerned about the possibility of Mexicans strapping miniguns to their motorcycles and attacking law enforcement personnel. :blah:

 
*Facepalm*  You do realize Arizona's new law is little different from existing federal immigration law?
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I think we need to be seriously concerned about the possibility of Mexicans strapping miniguns to their motorcycles and attacking law enforcement personnel. :blah:
Your title again? :lol:

(armed motorcycles being used as fighters in the streets of a city... hmmm... that sounds like a funny idea for a videogame...)

 

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Sparda, you're only somewhat right.  In fact, Arizona's new law doesn't actually change federal immigration law at all, it merely requires local law enforcement to help enforce the federal law.  It's the means in which it requires this that has people pissed off.
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I thought it only allowed (not required) police officials in the state of Arizona to ask for proof of legal presence (i.e. a visa or green card) if they had reasonable suspicion that the person was here illegally, and only while investigating another crime (so the cops can't just can't walk up to people on the street and ask for papers), and I believe there was even an Executive Order signed by the Governor of Arizona to establish proper training for officers to ensure the checks are conducted in a racially-neutral way.
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[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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I thought it only allowed (not required) police officials in the state of Arizona to ask for proof of legal presence (i.e. a visa or green card) if they had reasonable suspicion that the person was here illegally, and only while investigating another crime (so the cops can't just can't walk up to people on the street and ask for papers), and I believe there was even an Executive Order signed by the Governor of Arizona to establish proper training for officers to ensure the checks are conducted in a racially-neutral way.

Now define "reasonable suspicion."  (I bet you that whatever you say is not what an officer would use as a reason.)

 

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I thought it only allowed (not required) police officials in the state of Arizona to ask for proof of legal presence (i.e. a visa or green card) if they had reasonable suspicion that the person was here illegally, and only while investigating another crime (so the cops can't just can't walk up to people on the street and ask for papers), and I believe there was even an Executive Order signed by the Governor of Arizona to establish proper training for officers to ensure the checks are conducted in a racially-neutral way.

I heard that a precinct can be sued by the community for a lack of enforcement.  So it may just 'allow' but with strong encouragement if so.  I'm not personally against it, and it did sound like the law was very well thought out, as far as a law along those lines could be.  I mean, if you're being investigated for another crime, they're already asking for your ID, so I'm not sure what would even change there.  I was under the impression it allowed for more specific checks.
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This movie looks ****ing amazing. :lol:

 

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I thought it only allowed (not required) police officials in the state of Arizona to ask for proof of legal presence (i.e. a visa or green card) if they had reasonable suspicion that the person was here illegally, and only while investigating another crime (so the cops can't just can't walk up to people on the street and ask for papers), and I believe there was even an Executive Order signed by the Governor of Arizona to establish proper training for officers to ensure the checks are conducted in a racially-neutral way.

The training won't work.

 

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Somebody's a pessimist.
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Pessimists are more realistic in their expectations.
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Offline General Battuta

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Somebody's a pessimist.

No, just a sort-of-expert on that type of training.

 

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So my pessimistic view that there will always be war, and we will therefore always need firearms, is more realistic than the care bear view that we could someday all get along?  And my view that the notion of a house for everyone in America is virtually impossible despite what some interest groups attempt to promote, and that's also a more realistic opinion?  Thanks I just needed to hear that from someone else.  I've wondered for some time if my beliefs on that were more pessimistic than the reality, but that must not be the case.
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Offline General Battuta

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So my pessimistic view that there will always be war, and we will therefore always need firearms, is more realistic than the care bear view that we could someday all get along?  And my view that the notion of a house for everyone in America is virtually impossible despite what some interest groups attempt to promote, and that's also a more realistic opinion?  Thanks I just needed to hear that from someone else.  I've wondered for some time if my beliefs on that were more pessimistic than the reality, but that must not be the case.

wut

This doesn't seem to have much to do with anything.

In this specific case, however, the training is unlikely to work.

iamzack is correct that depressed individuals tend to be more realistic at projecting certain trends. That doesn't translate into any accuracy statements about general worldviews, so what you're saying is unrelated and tangential.

 

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so what you're saying is unrelated and tangential.

Ya caught me
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