[Mars]

Killing him will make him a martyr for the people who do support him.

Better that he finds a way to burn himself to the ground.


I heard he was dying though

[Scotty]

Something tells me that People who support him under pain of death > People who support him because they like him.  He'd be a martyr for a significantly smaller population base.

[IceFire]

If China gets involved (and on N.K's side), they'll most likely help with the one other thing one needs when fighting America, or one of its allies. Marginalizing their allies.

Riffing off an analysis of what a war in Asia would look like, China would strike Japan and Australia, the US's strongest Allies, and perhaps help with S.K in this conflict. IIRC, China supposedly has some mean looking missiles.

But one thing you're missing mate, is the fact that there are a massive amount of missiles that wreak serious hurt pointed at South Korea. If anyone tries anything, Kim Jong-Il-As-**** won't hesitate leveling Seoul, a disastrous outcome. Any opening strike by allied forces would have to be against some of those missile sites.

Korea is hell to fight in, and my guess is that the side with the best CAS and knowledge of the area will prevail. I've never seen China's boys on CAS, but RAF Tornadoes are the real kickass of CAS, so I hear.

Modern day China isn't China of the 1950s... and even then China of the 1950s doesn't really have that kind of ambition.  China seems to be quite happy to do whatever it wants within it's own borders (or what it's laid claim to) but anything outside of that it isn't really interested in.  Yes they have a strong and modernizing military and you can bet they would spar over Taiwan if they felt they needed to but they aren't Kim Jong Il crazy at all.

[Klaustrophobia]

i love how everyone likes to think they know what china, or more specifically its leaders, wants and what they will do.

[karajorma]

Bear in mind that some of us actually live in China.

[headdie]

to be fair asside from environmental issues china has become a lot more "responsible" internationally in the last 20+ years, we dont even hear about their diplomatic posturing like we used to

[Kosh]

i love how everyone likes to think they know what china, or more specifically its leaders, wants and what they will do.

What concerns them more than anything else is civil unrest. A war with the west would strangle the economy (at minimum with a blockade), which could lead to major unemployment problems, with the potential for unrest.

[Dilmah G]

i love how everyone likes to think they know what china, or more specifically its leaders, wants and what they will do.

I was riffing off a powerpoint (put together for the DoD, IIRC) I saw which detailed possible moves by China in the event they were engaging the US, or one of its allies. And well, marginalizing the allies of the country you're fighting in your region is the logical thing to do.

[MR_T3D]

I have a feeling that if kim is still alive in fall, then **** could get very real at G20
all them world leaders in missile range...
his son is an unknown to me, maybe he'll be reasonable, or be more bold. If something really serious is going to happen, it'll be in the fall, and I would not be surprised if china doesn't actually support NK, because of economic ties to the rest of the world.
hell, china going to was with countries that owe it money can't go well in my mind.  Either nukes fly, or NATO probably wins, and as such could consider themselves no longer in debt (specifically the US) because they're now occupying china.

[IceFire]

i love how everyone likes to think they know what china, or more specifically its leaders, wants and what they will do.

One of my co-workers is originally from China and VERY well read on both western and eastern geopolitics.  We have some really great discussions on what we think is going on in the world.  Aside from my own reading I've definitely expanded my viewpoint based on those discussions with him... so I do have some insight and am not completely talking out of my ass

[newman]

...and am not completely talking out of my ass

Isn't that a bannable offense? If not, it should be

[TopAce]

Who did he offend?

[jr2]

He meant that he basically stated that he was partially talking out of his ass and that talking out of your ass should be a bannable offense?

K, so there goes half of HLP... or all of HLP if it's a one-offense ban

[newman]

No, I was being sarcastic.. which apparently failed since I need to explain it At any rate, didn't mean he should really get banned, my post was actually in support of his position.

[IceFire]

newman your dry with and humour escaped some but that is ok

Yes if talking out of ones ass was a bannable offense we'd have some issues around here I suspect   Fortunately we don't have to worry too much about that I think (hope? )

[achtung]

Talking out of your ass shouldn't be a bannable offense considering it is a matter of opinion.



I love you guys so much.

Seriously though, Kim's gonna get fried soon enough, whether it be the result of foreign fissile material or mother nature.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

20 on this page, excluding this one.

I don't think anyone will nuke North Korea.

[TopAce]

And I hope North Korea won't nuke anyone.

[Dilmah G]

I hope a war here won't send America further down the gurgler. 

[Androgeos Exeunt]

And I hope North Korea won't nuke anyone.

Even if they did, there are missile defence systems in countries like the US and Russia, right?

It won't stop the fallout, though. Kudos if NK launches a nuke and it gets intercepted over the ocean.