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Offline Aardwolf

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Offline Janos

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I like friends  :)

my friends microevolved

they're in my microwave oven right now

microevolving :)

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Offline The E

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my friends microevolved

they're in my microwave oven right now

microevolving :)

hmmmmmmmmm CLING

That's microrevolving :P
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ooooooooooooooooookay.

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By the way science cannot prove anything because science is always changing because of new discoveries.

Oh boy... I don't even know where to begin - so I don't!

I don't know, should the original post be considered that debate inducing homework somebody mentioned a while ago? The kind of homework where teacher encouraged students to go to internet forums and argue about creationism?
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Offline Nemesis6

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Creationism is kind of like a disabled runner in the Olympics. People keep directing him over to the proper place; the paralympics, but he insists he doesn't need legs to be able to compete here. If people just place him at the finish line, he'll be all set. If they won't do that, he'll claim discrimination and call it a conspiracy against the handicapped.

That is kind of what Creationism tries to do - We don't need things like "evidence", the "scientific method", "intellectual honesty" or the "peer-review process" when we can just crowbar our theocratic values into society with help from organizations like the Discovery Institute and morons like the Texas State Board of Education. If you don't let us do that, you're discriminating against Christians. Besides, science can't DISPROVE that God made the Earth, right? So let's teach both sides.


 

Offline Qent

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That's only when Creationism masquerades as science. Using science to explain purpose in life is as silly as using faith to explain how the world works.

 

Offline Scotty

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That's only when Creationism masquerades as science. Using science to explain purpose in life is as silly as using faith to explain how the world works.

QFT.

 

Offline Nemesis6

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That's only when Creationism masquerades as science. Using science to explain purpose in life is as silly as using faith to explain how the world works.

Well, our purpose in life is what we make of it. There's one thing I don't understand - Why would anyone choose a faith-based conclusion instead of a big question mark? Wait I remember now - Hell. If they don't do that, they'll go to hell!  :D

But seriously, I do have a very, very important video that anyone involved in this debate should watch. It's a two-hour lecture by evolutionary biologist Kenneth Miller, basically a lecturized version of the the court case Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District in which he was involved. That case sent the Intelligent Design and Creationism movement crashing down and proved that ID was a simple word change to circumvent the second amendment to get around that pesky First Amendment of theirs. So it deals with all the evidence for and against evolution. As it turns out, all the evidence for ID/Creationism like "irreducible complexity" was shown to be complete nonsense and this was demonstrated in the trial, too. Enough info, watch it, you damn, dirty apes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg

 

Offline iamzack

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That's only when Creationism masquerades as science. Using science to explain purpose in life is as silly as using faith to explain how the world works.

There's no evidence that there is any high purpose in life.
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What if someone is looking for purpose in their life though?  It doesn't have to be a high-and-mighty overarching purpose that applies to everyone, individuals can seek their own purpose in life.  Religion can help with that.
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Offline Scotty

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That's only when Creationism masquerades as science. Using science to explain purpose in life is as silly as using faith to explain how the world works.

There's no evidence that there is any high purpose in life.

That's kind of the point.  Science keeps out of the purpose, faith keeps out of they hows.

 

Offline iamzack

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How pretty much determines why.
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Offline Scotty

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No.  Not even close.

Take a look at, say, a piece of cutlery.  You could learn everything about how it was produced, how it works, etc., but that wouldn't answer why it was made.  One person looking at it might think it was made to stab people with.  And it could be.  Someone else might think, of all things, to keep a few papers from blowing away.    Still another person might think it an entertaining way of passing the time by throwing it at a target.

Of course, actually knowing why it was made, we can say it's supposed to be used in the preparation of food.  The hows give no indication and does not determine the why.

 

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i dont believe in evolution, we were created by robots, we rebelled, and we have a plan.

unfortunately that plan includes creating new robots.
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Offline General Battuta

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How pretty much determines why.

I think we're all aware that life the universe is just a deterministic process without reason or purpose. People are feel free to add their own metagames to it if they please, since it supplies goals and short-term rewards to focus on.

As someone grim but true once put it, in the long run, we're all dead.

 

Offline iamzack

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No.  Not even close.

Take a look at, say, a piece of cutlery.  You could learn everything about how it was produced, how it works, etc., but that wouldn't answer why it was made.  One person looking at it might think it was made to stab people with.  And it could be.  Someone else might think, of all things, to keep a few papers from blowing away.    Still another person might think it an entertaining way of passing the time by throwing it at a target.

Of course, actually knowing why it was made, we can say it's supposed to be used in the preparation of food.  The hows give no indication and does not determine the why.

That's stupid. We use how to determine why all the time. Archeology for example. If we find an ancient knife, we use its qualities to determined what it was used for. Certain properties in a knife are better suited to certain things. Nobody that isn't a retard would come up with "paperweight."

We do the same with extinct animals. We can look at an extinct bird's beak and generally determine what kinds of things it ate.

How something is made is a direct result of why. If we know how it was made, an educated guess for why will usually be correct.
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How something is made is a direct result of why. If we know how it was made, an educated guess for why will usually be correct.

But how does not determine why.  It may gives clue toward, but it is not the source of why the object/creature/whathaveyou was made.

 

Offline Qent

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How pretty much determines why.

I think we're all aware that life the universe is just a deterministic process without reason or purpose. People are feel free to add their own metagames to it if they please, since it supplies goals and short-term rewards to focus on.

As someone grim but true once put it, in the long run, we're all dead.
I really hate Poe's law. Why don't people just say what they mean?

 

Offline General Battuta

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How pretty much determines why.

I think we're all aware that life the universe is just a deterministic process without reason or purpose. People are feel free to add their own metagames to it if they please, since it supplies goals and short-term rewards to focus on.

As someone grim but true once put it, in the long run, we're all dead.
I really hate Poe's law. Why don't people just say what they mean?

That's actually what I mean.

  

Offline iamzack

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How something is made is a direct result of why. If we know how it was made, an educated guess for why will usually be correct.

But how does not determine why.  It may gives clue toward, but it is not the source of why the object/creature/whathaveyou was made.

Actually, how does determine why. It's just that we aren't always able to see all the variables. Hence, educated guess.

Why do we have sentience? Because of evolution. wow, problem solved.
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