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Offline Snail

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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
If they had scored my thoughts would probably be more like "Serves you right cheating bastud"

 

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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
I don't really see what the problem is with someone going for a handball in that situation.  If you don't touch the ball, you lose.  If you do touch the ball, there's still a massive chance that you lose, but at least there's a slight chance that you don't...and in this case, it worked.  It's like the common sentiment in American football: there's technically-illegal offensive holding happening on every play, but only the egregious examples get called.  It's simply part of the game, as is a baseball player sliding hard into a shortstop in an attempt to break up a double-play, or a hockey defenseman tripping up a forward on a clear breakaway.  The goal in any sport is to stop your opponent from scoring by any means necessary...and if you push things too far, you yourself get penalized.  That's what happened here, so I'm not really sure where the issue lies.

But on another note, that Ghana miss aside, penalty kicks seem incredibly biased toward the kicker in terms of balance, at least from my inexperienced viewpoint.  They're positioned so close to the goal, and the goal itself is so big, that the only chance the goalie has is either to randomly guess the direction of the kick (which still won't help if it's out of his reach) or hope that the kicker horribly screws up (as happened to Ghana).  At least in hockey, when a player is awarded a penalty shot, they have to skate down half of the ice with the puck, and the goalie still has a decent chance of stopping the shot if he's reasonably skilled.  Maybe if soccer moved penalty shots back out to the second box, goalies would stand a fighting chance, and they wouldn't essentially be gimmes.

 
Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
Like the ITV team concluded on the subject;
There's no one that wouldn't do the same thing in the same circumstances.
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

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It's a valid tactic, you can think it's not loyal or whatever you want, but that's how the game is.

If you have played it sometime then you can beggin to understand what it is to loose all your efforts because of just one bad game, one bad move...that is all it takes to bring you down your knees, also.. that's what makes this game so beautiful, so exciting.

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i have played it.  i have played it for 17 years.  and that's why it disgusts me that the sport is sinking to this level.
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this still isn't over? ugh
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
i have played it.  i have played it for 17 years.  and that's why it disgusts me that the sport is sinking to this level.
Oh come on, are you seriously thinking that handball was premeditated in any manner? Like that player did that consciously? In a situation like that it's rather instinctive to prevent the goal with any means. You don't get time to think whether what you need to do is against the rules or not. Besides, there are some pretty interesting results considering decision making and conscious thought. A lot of the time we act first and justify it as a conscious decision afterwards. Ask Battuta more about this, he should know more. Considering the reaction times involved, I very much doubt that any conscious desire to break the rules was present or that the player made a decision to do it. Does it justify what he did? No, it was against the rules - but the act was penalized according to the rules. Football isn't sinking to any level. Problem is that other sports have advanced in methods of detecting rule breaking. Football, not so much. The hand of god wasn't any lesser infraction. This sort of things have always happened, so the argument that th sport's "level" is sinking is invalid.
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
i have played it.  i have played it for 17 years.  and that's why it disgusts me that the sport is sinking to this level.
17 years?
what level? 5aside? sunday pub?
lol.
Ever been competitive in anything?
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yes, i've played in national competition and club level in university.  all throughout middle and high school.  i don't know if there's a way to say this without sounding arrogant and full of ****, but i was good enough to play varsity in uni, but didn't have the support of my parents leading up to uni to get recruited, and now i don't have the time to try to walk on.  i've played pickup with many of the varsity players and can match them.  maybe i'm alone in wanting some integrity rather than win at all costs, but if so, so be it. 
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
But on another note, that Ghana miss aside, penalty kicks seem incredibly biased toward the kicker in terms of balance, at least from my inexperienced viewpoint.  They're positioned so close to the goal, and the goal itself is so big, that the only chance the goalie has is either to randomly guess the direction of the kick (which still won't help if it's out of his reach) or hope that the kicker horribly screws up (as happened to Ghana).  At least in hockey, when a player is awarded a penalty shot, they have to skate down half of the ice with the puck, and the goalie still has a decent chance of stopping the shot if he's reasonably skilled.  Maybe if soccer moved penalty shots back out to the second box, goalies would stand a fighting chance, and they wouldn't essentially be gimmes.

They're meant to be fairly easy to score actually.

Penalties are given in situations that more probably than not would have been a goal. They're often given in cases similar to the one in the Uruguay game where it should have been a goal except for a fairly obvious foul.

Making them easier to defend would make players even more likely to foul in the penalty box because they knew they had a reasonable chance of preventing a goal that way.
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
my only gripe about the ease of PKs is that ANY penal foul in the box results in a PK and almost an assured goal.  i think it would be nice if refs were allowed to award ordinary direct kicks in the box and have a little judgment room on giving out PKs. 
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Cause, you know, the reffing has been spectacular so far this cup.
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Oh come on, are you seriously thinking that handball was premeditated in any manner? Like that player did that consciously?

Yes, he did it consciously, the only way you can actually touch the ball with your hands (a pro player) is if it's going really fast straight to the hand, he obviously moved the hand towards the direction the ball had, so he interfered willingly.

It was not right, but they got punished because of it, so there's nothing more to say about it really.
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
I'm unconvinced on the level of university football play in america.
Comparing it to the pressure and emotion, and the drive that takes someone to a world cup though, especially from non-**** football countries if that had been an English defender they'd have done that in tears.
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Maybe we can give Maradona this world cup as consolation for Argentina going out. :p
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I'm unconvinced on the level of university football play in america.
Comparing it to the pressure and emotion, and the drive that takes someone to a world cup though, especially from non-**** football countries if that had been an English defender they'd have done that in tears.

Kinda funny example considering the US did objectively better this cup than England.
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
Actually in terms of results England did better based on the ranking system going into the tournament, though grossly, grossly, underperformed considering what they should have done.


Other than Germany, Brazil, Argentina, and a singular display from Portugal, all of the teams have performed at what I would approximate to the championship division in England's domestic league (the league below the Prem), if not lower.
I'm hardly inspired by this WC performance wise :P
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
leagues hardly define a country anymore, with players going all over the world to play instead of staying in their home country.
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Re: And it's on...(World Cup)
The remaining matches are:

Tuesday: Uruguay vs. Holland
Wednesday: Germany vs. Spain
Saturday: 3rd place
Sunday: Final

All at 20:30, local time
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Wednesday's match seems promising. :)
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