[Gamma_Draconis]

A GTI v early Shivan encounters would make a cool campaign. It'll probably give an explanation for why GTI wanted Rasputin as well if we are assuming McCarthy and Rasputin both had the same objective.

[bigchunk1]

Here's proof that at least some Terran pilots were religious:
Oh God, they're following me....

You dreailed my entire carefully constructed argument with one sentence. 

Now I recall similar experessions such as "Oh my god, it's the Lucifer!" from Fs1

I could argue that the word 'god' has become more of a figure of speech passed down through history and has since lost all religious meaning, but I feel compelled to just give it a rest and take my hat off to you. 

[General Battuta]

Here's proof that at least some Terran pilots were religious:

Oh God, they're following me....

That's no proof at all! In that situation I'd probably be like SWEET ****ING JESUS SON OF MARY ***** OF GOD SAVE ME and I'm as agnostic as they come.

[Droid803]

Indeed. It's just a saying.

[Dilmah G]

Yeah, but I doubt there wouldn't be religion somewhere in FS. You don't find atheists in foxholes. Only in Special Forces. 

[bigchunk1]

*Quietly puts hat back on 

[Dilmah G]

Sorry, I haven't been following the debate.

[bigchunk1]

No worries, what you say makes sense. The impression I have now is that if Terran religion exists in FS, it is not in a significant enough amount to merit a difference for this thread's topic.

[SpardaSon21]

Well, it may just be like today where we have a crapload of religions all over the place, each with a crapload of different variations (Christianity mainly, although Judaism and Islam have some sects of their own), so that no one faction is dominant over all the others.

[TrashMan]

Since it's never specified any differently, it's safe to assume that the FS2 culture/humanity doesn't differ from todays humanity.
I really don't buy that "religion will go extinct" thing. That's a load of bull.

Other than that, GTA wins. Advantage is terran.

[Dilmah G]

That's what I thought. I mean the phrase used "Don't smoke 'em yet," makes me think they're probably still smoking a crapload of cigars too.

[bigchunk1]

Whoa! The Freespace universe takes place around the 2300s; 300 - 400 years in the future. 300+ years ago today you are talking 1600s in historical times where the fastest thing on Earth was a horse and the printing press was your closest thing to a computer. You are talking about a time where people actually believed that Monarchs held divine right and others had no rights at all based on birth. A time where the biological cell had yet to be discovered and people could only guess what was on the moon. Medicine was a nightmare and the vast majority of people worked the land as farmers in a struggle to feed the population. Had we lived back then, I'm sure many threads on HLP might have resulted in dueling. I could go on as I have only covered a fraction of the differences.

Safe to assume they are the same? Realistically, I think one thing that we must assume is that things are not the same. This is a society that has taken residence on other worlds, encountered other forms of intelligent life and broken the very fabric of spacetime itself. There is no doubt that such dramatic milestones would compliment a changing culture.

So, maybe there still is religion and maybe there is no longer religion but I think the one thing that is safe to assume is that one way or another the Freespace Universe is very different from our own.     

[Dilmah G]

That's fair enough, but in FS2, blokes still talk the same as they do today and use more or less the same expressions. I think perhaps FS2 was designed from this perspective as 1997 in space with ships, if you catch my drift?

[QuantumDelta]

Whoa! The Freespace universe takes place around the 2300s; 300 - 400 years in the future. 300+ years ago today you are talking 1600s in historical times where the fastest thing on Earth was a horse and the printing press was your closest thing to a computer. You are talking about a time where people actually believed that Monarchs held divine right and others had no rights at all based on birth. A time where the biological cell had yet to be discovered and people could only guess what was on the moon. Medicine was a nightmare and the vast majority of people worked the land as farmers in a struggle to feed the population. Had we lived back then, I'm sure many threads on HLP might have resulted in dueling. I could go on as I have only covered a fraction of the differences.

Safe to assume they are the same? Realistically, I think one thing that we must assume is that things are not the same. This is a society that has taken residence on other worlds, encountered other forms of intelligent life and broken the very fabric of spacetime itself. There is no doubt that such dramatic milestones would compliment a changing culture.

So, maybe there still is religion and maybe there is no longer religion but I think the one thing that is safe to assume is that one way or another the Freespace Universe is very different from our own.     

Hopefully my train of thought shouldn't be too obscure from here.

[TrashMan]

Whoa! The Freespace universe takes place around the 2300s; 300 - 400 years in the future. 300+ years ago today you are talking 1600s in historical times where the fastest thing on Earth was a horse and the printing press was your closest thing to a computer. You are talking about a time where people actually believed that Monarchs held divine right and others had no rights at all based on birth. A time where the biological cell had yet to be discovered and people could only guess what was on the moon. Medicine was a nightmare and the vast majority of people worked the land as farmers in a struggle to feed the population. Had we lived back then, I'm sure many threads on HLP might have resulted in dueling. I could go on as I have only covered a fraction of the differences.

Safe to assume they are the same? Realistically, I think one thing that we must assume is that things are not the same. This is a society that has taken residence on other worlds, encountered other forms of intelligent life and broken the very fabric of spacetime itself. There is no doubt that such dramatic milestones would compliment a changing culture.

So, maybe there still is religion and maybe there is no longer religion but I think the one thing that is safe to assume is that one way or another the Freespace Universe is very different from our own.     

False comparisons. Culture changes, but the rate and gravity of changes varries. IT may be 1000 years of minimal changes, or 300 years of massive changes. You use the most hectic period of our history as proof, but it's hardly proof of anything.
Especially since we reached a sort of "stable" level of culture - basic science is everywhere, culture and connection is on a global scale, etc...

[ChronoReverse]

It wasn't like the entire world was Christian either.  Even if Europe really was stalled solely because of Christianity, what was the rest of the world doing?  There are more factors than that but it's easy to point fingers.

Furthermore, there's a lot of regression and rediscovery even in the past.  The idea of cities built upon the ruins of cities didn't from nowhere.

[TrashMan]

@QD.

Do the world a favor and go die in a fire.
If there's anything I hate, then it would be undescribably stupid (and incorrect) images like that...and the people who post them.

[MatthTheGeek]

TROLL FTW

Anyway Trashman, QD is right, you know ? Get out of your cave !

[ShadowGorrath]

Guys, you never cease to amaze me, how you always manage to slowly change the topic to something totally unrelated. Like at this case: the GTA-PVE war to religion's causes in the past, or whatever

And if a Vasudan read this topic, I'm pretty sure that'd be more than enough to cause a war.

[The E]

This is not GenDisc. Religion vs Science debates have no place here.