[Dilmah G]

The Vasudans might have had a Deus Ex Machina lying around.

[The E]

Doesn't matter. Looking at the strategic situation, and the hardware that was in the pipeline already, one can extrapolate that the GTA was poised for a quick decapitation strike on Vasuda Prime. And they would have gotten away with it, if it hadn't been for those pesky Shivans.

Also, if the Vasudans had a great big Deus Ex Machina, why didn't they use it against the Lucy?

[MatthTheGeek]

2 - humans had confirmed shield testings

Source ? The only thing we know is from the tech description of the MX-50 :

Early experiments with energy based defenses like the deflector array at Ross 128 have shown that this weapon is exceedingly weak against anything besides steel based targets.

Given the location of those "early experiment", it sounds more like early Shivan encounters to me. We know (or it is assumed, I can't remember of a canon source right now) that the GTI was aware of the Shivan presence long before the destruction of Riviera.

[FelixJim]

well "win" is kindof a loose term here, since both sides pretty much already lost 14 years in.

I don't know quite about that; combined we had enough resources and fire-power to take on a Shivan fleet.

I think what he's on about is the "human" cost of the war, the number of devastated family's.  Thats before you consider the damage done to both species in social, industrial and cultural terms

A Pyrrhic victory is a victory nonetheless.

[Snail]

I think the Hades had been in development for a long time before ST and that the GTI hastily fitted it with new Shivan toys when they got ahold of them. A humongous spaceframe like that doesn't just appear out of nowhere. My theory is that it was meant as a GTA superweapon to use against the Vasudans before the Shivans arrived. The GTI used technology from the Lucifer to increase its destructive potential after they saw the power of Shivan warships.

Considering that the GTA was at least seriously entertaining the prospect of assaulting Vasuda at the beginning of FS1, I think it's reasonable to say that the possibility of both sides having genocidal final objectives can't be ruled out. I think that if the GTA reached Vasuda they would have glassed it.

...


You know what I seem to have the polar opposite opinion to everything you say. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Wanderer]

There is no proof what so ever that Eisenhower would have been an Orion...

[Dilmah G]

What else is it supposed to be then?

[Snail]

What else is it supposed to be then?

Some other destroyer class maybe?

[MatthTheGeek]

Tho Orion can't have been in service for the whole T-V war and remain in service as long as until the Shivan incursion, so there have been other classes of destroyers before.

[Snail]

Tho Orion can't have been in service for the whole T-V war and remain in service as long as until the Shivan incursion, so there have been other classes of destroyers before.

Well, there's nothing to say that it wasn't. It could be just a very modular design that can be retrofitted repeatedly with new technology such as beams and better blobs.

But IMO it'd be pretty cool for there to have been other destroyers in service during the TV War too.

[QuantumDelta]

Being honest, I think the start of FS1 the War had just swung into the PVE's favour.

About the war;
We can probably assume there were some brokered peace deals/cease fires that never lasted, we can also assume that while fighting was perhaps not constant in most systems there were systems that were hotbeds of activity, and also expect that most combat was jump-node based.

[-Norbert-]

How did the war swing towards the PVE?
Operation Thresher might have failed, but it left the PVE blockade fleet in antares low on supplies and their convoys have mostly been destroyed.

[Snail]

Being honest, I think the start of FS1 the War had just swung into the PVE's favour.

About the war;
We can probably assume there were some brokered peace deals/cease fires that never lasted, we can also assume that while fighting was perhaps not constant in most systems there were systems that were hotbeds of activity, and also expect that most combat was jump-node based.

Mmm, not really... Operation Thresher fails, but the Vasudans within Antares are isolated and left without supplies. Within a few weeks Antares would be fully under GTA control.

[QuantumDelta]

Uhh.... the GTA lost almost 40-50 full squadrons worth of pilots?

Doesn't say anything about them being isolated, just without supplies for the time being, the GTA forces, being so knackered, aren't really in a position to take advantage of that.

It also doesn't mention any timelines for the system.

It also doesn't mention how many cruisers and if any destroyers were lost in the offensive.

Anyway;
Joint projects (afaik);
Thoth.
Uly.
Avenger (in the end).
Shields.
Interceptor.

dunno 'bout the rest ;p

Seth > Valk > Apollo > Anubis (though, I saw this from never having flown an Anubis).

Leviathan > Aten=Fenris

Typhon > Orion.

Alpha 1 > *

I don't think we should take the story as what it would have been if it wasn't a game though, Alpha One gets glorified quite a lot by briefings and debriefings even for minor missions.

[Snail]

Antares falls to the Terrans in a few weeks. Doesn't that constitute a major Terran victory? Especially since it's one jump from VPrime?

[QuantumDelta]

I would contest that by that point the PVE is more concerned with the Shivans than the GTA.

[Snail]

I would contest that by that point the PVE is more concerned with the Shivans than the GTA.

I would contest that by that point the PVE didn't know the Shivans existed.


Antares was almost under GTA control by "Out of the Dark, Into the Night", which is just before the Shivans arrived. Only one cruiser and two strike wings were still active.

[Colonol Dekker]

First contact situation with Zod Scum.
 
 
Terran envoy- "we come in peace"
 
 
 
Unfortunately that means "your mum is useless in the sack" in Zodenese.

[Rodo]

That's the bad thing about being an ambassador.

364 days of the year you are scratching your balls.

the other remaining day you are in the middle of a firefight against fissshy aliens.

[el_magnifico]

That's the bad thing about being an ambassador.

364 days of the year you are scratching your balls.

the other remaining day you are in the middle of a firefight against fissshy aliens.

I'm sold. Where should I sign up?