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Offline Nemesis6

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Religion, belief - What you believe and why
We have a lot of threads here where people talk about religious topics, like the one about Bliblical literalism, but one thing I see missing is people actually talking about their own religious beliefs and why they hold them, so I figured I'd start a topic specifically for religious debate. I'll start:

I'm an Atheist. I have been all my life, up until I turned about 15... I got kind of into Christianity and Judaism. I liked the concept of spirituality, and oddly enough, I perceived the yarmulke as an interesting symbol(humility), but the thing is, that was the thing I could really bring myself to like about it. For a long time, I looked for evidence of God and I remember being kind of frustrated because I couldn't find any, but looking back at that now, that was a very good thing -- My critical mind doing its thing. In light of that, I absolutely stonewalled the idea of God or any supernatural being for that matter. So after a lot of soul-searching, I abandoned my search for a suitable religion, and having investigated religions with a skeptic mindset afterwards, I'm really glad I didn't become religious. I see a real danger in religion - Had I already been predisposed to faith in the manner that people in the United States for example are, I would have been ripe for harvest by extremists, and let's face it - People who convert to a religion mostly become extremist in their beliefs, because what's the point in dedicating your life to a totally new ideology if you're just gonna water it down? I think it's a kind of defence mechanism to stave off initial doubt --- I'm dedicating myslf 100% to this, because I found something I really agree or can relate to. I believe it was Ken Ham who talked about how if we could throw out Genesis as allegorical/whatever, then the other stuff could be thrown out as well, and where does it end? That's how he became a literalist/Creationist; either all of it is true, or none of it is. False dichotomy, applied to a largely fictive work in my opinion.

We're the masters of our own destiny, limited(and futile in the grand scheme of things) as it may be, and I see a real danger in the world-view that takes away that responsibility by way of fear and threats of eternal damnation. This kind of thinking is demonstrably dangerous. For example, that U.S senator urging his fellow friends-in-senate not to worry about global warming because the Earth will only end when God sets Armageddon in motion, how the way the Abrahamic religions paint women as slaves. How can we progress when we have stuff like that stuck in our most revered literature? To our incredible luck, most people disregard these passages. In other words, most religious people like Christians have a cafeteria kind-of-thing where they walk down the isle -- Ok, I'll take "turn the other cheek.", no "Dip a live dove in the blood of another one to cure leprosy.", but give me some of that "Love your neighbor as yourself." now what's that over here? "Women are naturally inferior and should be slaves of men." .. Hmmm, am I getting married any time soon? I think I'll hold off on that for now.

All of that is nasty, but held as personal beliefs, it doesn't even come close to the danger posed by powerful people pushing this stuff on the public at large, like the Texas State Board of Education pushing Christian revisionism and pseudo-science on little kids. By the way, isn't lying against the Christian religion? Again, picking and choosing.

So those are my beliefs and opinions on religion in general.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2010, 08:06:15 pm by Nemesis6 »

 

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
I 'believe' that the odds are we live in a simulation, although I suppose it can't be called real belief in the sense of 'religious belief' because it is a position arrived at by analysis of the existing data rather than faith.

 

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
Steel obviously.

Nothing else in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.

You must learn its riddle.
“Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world”

 

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Steel obviously.

Nothing else in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.

You must learn its riddle.

Starslayer, what is best in life?

 

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
i believe that death is the only salvation from the evil that is life.
i believe that nuclear weapons are mankind's greatest inventions.
i believe that after we die, our souls fade to nothing and our bodies become worm food (or if cremated, plant food).
i believe that cats are the master race.
i believe that war is necessary for our evolution.
i believe that it is ok to call hooters knockers and sometimes snack trays.
i believe in the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
i believe that people should be on fire.
i believe that insanity is true wisdom.
i believe that people should be my slaves.

I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
I believe that R.Kelly would drop like a brick.

 

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
Steel obviously.

Nothing else in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.

You must learn its riddle.

Starslayer, what is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
“Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world”

 

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
Steel obviously.

Nothing else in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.

You must learn its riddle.

Starslayer, what is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

YES

 

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
Pantheism/Atheism sorta thing. There is no caring god, and the closest thing to a god is the universe in which we reside.

This thread will go downhill fast.
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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
I believe in life elsewhere in the universe.
I believe humans are fundamentally flawed creatures.
I believe in cyclonic storms.
I believe in bacon and beer.
I believe in Bed Bath & Beyond.
**** YEAH
In my world of sleepers, everything will be erased.
I'll be your religion, your only endless ideal.
Slowly we crawl in the dark.
Swallowed by the seductive night.

 

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
Steel obviously.

Nothing else in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.

You must learn its riddle.

I write these words in steel, for anything not set in metal cannot be trusted.  :cool:


Pantheism/Atheism sorta thing. There is no caring god, and the closest thing to a god is the universe in which we reside.

This thread will go downhill fast.

Seriously. Modded +1 flamebait.

 

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I believe in the Dude.

 

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The Dude abides
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I believe in Harvey Dent.
"Think about nice things not unhappy things.
The future makes happy, if you make it yourself.
No war; think about happy things."   -WouterSmitssm

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why

Pantheism/Atheism sorta thing. There is no caring god, and the closest thing to a god is the universe in which we reside.

This thread will go downhill fast.

Seriously. Modded +1 flamebait.

Why?
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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
I'm pretty much in the same position as nemesis6, though far more bitter about it because I was indoctrinated like so many brainwashed children during my first ~8-10 years of life at which point I learnt the people around me don't actually know better and basically to think critically for myself.
Didn't make me popular since I was head of the choir at the time.
Still, I don't miss it, not even slightly.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
I believe god/gods/goddess(es) is an unproven assertion. I also believe that if they exist, it's well within their power to prove themselves, and thus they're sort of pricks for demanding unfounded belief complete with the threat of punishment if we don't.

Now some of them have never really made a pretense of being nice, like the old Greek and Roman Pantheon, so I suppose it's really about par for the course. This does not change the fact they're pricks, and it also does not change the fact that we have far surpassed their own abilities. We no longer need them.

Moving on up to the Abrahamic god, he did make pretense of being a nice sort, but he also got considerably more serious about the believing or suffering bit. He remains equally unimpressive compared to older pantheons, however. What is his greatest act? Creating the universe? Doubtful at best. I reject the "God of the Gaps" hypothesis, for it's not very godlike at all what with being an ever-shrinking concept. The Flood is a pretty neat trick, but also conclusively disproved. Sodom and Gomorrah? Fat Boy and Thin Man make it look decidely lame. Bring down the walls of Jericho? Simple. To make the ground shake and the sun black out? We can do that.

Our gods, if they exist, have made threats against us. Perhaps they are in a posistion to back them up, and perhaps they are not. Regardless, in the face of such morally bankrupt actions as eternal damnation of a race utterly incapable of deserving such a punishment, force should be answered with force. And we have long since had the bigger stick.
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I believe that any major religion requiring you to accept anything they say at face value without proof.. is very convenient. For them :P
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I don't believe.

Belief is stupid. I feel no need to believe that the Earth orbits the Sun, that the computer I'm typing on is real or that I'll ban people for trolling on this thread.

The first two require nothing beyond science and Occam's Razor while the last is simply knowing myself :p Belief is when you decide something is true despite having little or no evidence it is true AND/OR ignoring Occam's Razor.
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Re: Religion, belief - What you believe and why
Faith is dangerous, as it fuels authoritarianism and thus suffering. So, don't expect me to believe anything on faith.
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