[Droid803]

So...your point is that it's cliche and that's why its bad? (The FS1 intro I mean)
But cliche isn't necessarily bad, some people like it.

The whole point of  "presented well" and "presented badly" looks like personal preference, it's mere interpretation of what is presented. I don't see any glaring incompetence in the presentation, surely, it's not anything new and groundbreaking. I recall the last argument devolving into the Gamma Three Niner line...and it turned to a dispute between "its awkard as hell and its terribly VA'ed" and "that's because he was ****ting his pants, it's well VA'ed"...again...interpretation.

I don't even like that intro and I'm not convinced by the line of reasoning.    It does its job, just not in any spectacular way.

To continue a bad analogy, you are not explaining the invariance of light. It seems more like you are saying that the universe is boring because the speed of light is invariant. Obviously, some will beg to differ.

Point is, you can't really compare appreciation of art to scientific fact. People will like things, they're not wrong for liking it,  but there's nothing to be gained from arguing either way, tis my point...

And then I'll proceed to perhaps invalidate everything I've said by saying that I like the FS2 intro, all canonical inconsistencies to hell. The lost generation speech was cool.

EDIT: Why the hell did I even write 80% of this post?

[General Battuta]

So...your point is that it's cliche and that's why its bad? (The FS1 intro I mean)

No.

But cliche isn't necessarily bad, some people like it.

'Some people like it' will rarely be a good argument for anything. Witness Twilight.

The whole point of  "presented well" and "presented badly" looks like personal preference, it's mere interpretation of what is presented.

Many people have preferences. Some are more equal than others.

Everything is an interpretation. Some interpretations are better supported than others. I interpret events in my life as the product of a vast physical system; Judge Floro interprets the same events as the actions of a trio of mystical dwarves. These interpretations are inequal!

I don't see any glaring incompetence in the presentation, surely, it's not anything new and groundbreaking. I recall the last argument devolving into the Gamma Three Niner line...and it turned to a dispute between "its awkard as hell and its terribly VA'ed" and "that's because he was ****ting his pants, it's well VA'ed"...again...interpretation.

You have yet to master your ki.

I don't even like that intro and I'm not convinced by the line of reasoning.    It does its job, just not in any spectacular way.

Le shrug! Popular comprehension is not the litmus test of quality.

To continue a bad analogy, you are not explaining the invariance of light. It seems more like you are saying that the universe is boring because the speed of light is invariant. Obviously, some will beg to differ.

The invariance of lightspeed was a stroke of genius from a beautiful mind. So, too, are my opinions.

[Droid803]

But cliche isn't necessarily bad, some people like it.

'Some people like it' will rarely be a good argument for anything. Witness Twilight.

It also happens to be hopeless to try and convince them otherwise (unfortunately or not). 'twas my point.

To continue a bad analogy, you are not explaining the invariance of light. It seems more like you are saying that the universe is boring because the speed of light is invariant. Obviously, some will beg to differ.

The invariance of lightspeed was a stroke of genius from a beautiful mind. So, too, are my opinions.

It all makes sense now.

[General Battuta]

To be honest I was at first relatively indifferent towards the cutscene, but the reactions involved rapidly made it a topic too good to pass up.

And I don't just mean in the sense of trolling - the reverence directed towards it made the flaws all the more apparent.

[bigchunk1]

I'm surprised I was the first one to vote for any of Bosch's Monologues. Maybe because they were split into 4 groups(which makes sense)? When I first played the campaign, they were such a no brainer favorite to me. I took a particular liking to #2.
 
I guess what I liked about them is the complete control that was communicated, a perspective that set all the players in the universe as chess pieces to be traded and shifted around. I got the feeling that even though Bosch is a disagreeable character, he has great insight into the way things work. 'Let me invite you to see the universe through the eyes of a madman. Perhaps that is the only true way to see it'.

The scene is ridled with such lines as. "I have given the lost generation something to die for" The kind of line that initially sounds good, but then you jerk your head slightly and think to yourself 'what the heck?'. I like this effect.  

Even as the monologue takes place you see Bosch comfortably looking out into the depth of space with a calm stillness, viewing the universe like an architect surveying a build sight. I also find it interesting that you never see his face. What better way to show a complicated man than one who is constantly peering off into nothingness.

[Dilmah G]

The invariance of lightspeed was a stroke of genius from a beautiful mind. So, too, are my opinions.

Dear God man...

An opinion is a subjective statement or thought about an issue or topic, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.

I'm not sure if you're aware of it Battuta, but you're being a massive douchebag. Whether you're right or not, very few people who post on this forum are going to give you the time of day when you refer to your opinions as a stroke of genius from a beautiful mind (even if it's true). There's confidence, and there's arrogance, Battuta.

Some opinions are provided with a supporting argument. This may better support the opinion, and some opinions are more supported by others. This does not make an opinion better. People generally pick the better supported arguments, but there are exceptions.

In my observation, you consistently misinterpret many discussions on this bulletin board as arguments, and reply in like fashion. We discuss things, rather than argue. Or at least, that's the attitude I have to the threads on this board. If I'm not in the mood to partake in discussion, and I'm out to argue with someone and not respect their point of view, then I usually realise whilst typing and refrain from posting. I'm suggesting you post in future on these threads with a similar attitude, but I'm not going to say anything more, and I don't expect or want a reply on the matter.

It's just my observation that you post in an argumentative/aggressive tone. I find this offputting to discussion.

[General Battuta]

*snip*

I also loved the Bosch Monologues. Some of the best writing in the FreeSpace saga.

I'm not sure if you're aware of it Battuta, but you're being a massive douchebag. Whether you're right or not, very few people who post on this forum are going to give you the time of day when you refer to your opinions as a stroke of genius from a beautiful mind (even if it's true). There's confidence, and there's arrogance, Battuta.

Some opinions are provided with a supporting argument. This may better support the opinion, and some opinions are more supported by others. This does not make an opinion better. People generally pick the better supported arguments, but there are exceptions.

My opinions are obviously better because I am inherently superior.

In my observation, you consistently misinterpret many discussions on this bulletin board as arguments, and reply in like fashion. We discuss things, rather than argue. Or at least, that's the attitude I have to the threads on this board. If I'm not in the mood to partake in discussion, and I'm out to argue with someone and not respect their point of view, then I usually realise whilst typing and refrain from posting. I'm suggesting you post in future on these threads with a similar attitude, but I'm not going to say anything more, and I don't expect or want a reply on the matter.

It's just my observation that you post in an argumentative/aggressive tone. I find this offputting to discussion.

Review my posts in this thread and find one that was both a) a negative statement about a cutscene in a video game and b) a reply to someone. Those are the necessary prerequisites to have an argument.

[Dilmah G]

I'm suggesting you post in future on these threads with a similar attitude, but I'm not going to say anything more, and I don't expect or want a reply on the matter.

[General Battuta]

Here, I've done it for you!

Finally! I've been saying this for years!

That cutscene is just another take on a script we've seen a thousand times before. Panicked knight rides in. Panicked soldiers report in on radio. Panicked X reports vague and ominous premonitions of evil Y.

General critique of the cutscene in response to NGTM-1R. Quite reasonable, I'd say.

Not so. There are many movies that are genuinely original. Nor does recognizing the flaws in something necessarily mean it can't be enjoyed on any level (though in this case...I love the cutscene right up until the first line of dialogue, then it's take it or leave it.)

You'll just have to make room for the fact that people have different tastes and different standards. Some ask more.

Assertion that many viewpoints are valid and that we should be sensitive to nuance.

I'm happy to diagnose the reasons at length but somehow I suspect it won't go over well.

Suggestion that we not allow the topic to degenerate into a pointless debate.

Battuta is just being an overreacting buzzkill.  Leave him alone, and he'll be more sane when he comes down from his rant.

Did you see a rant? Did you even read the thread? NGTM-1R delivered the payload of truth this time around, my friend.

I have delivered no rant here.

My opinions, believe it or not, are perfectly well-ordered. I only strive to reach down into the mist and elevate a few others to my lofty Olympian heights.

Use of humor for self-defense against a baseless personal attack and an accusation of insane ranting when I had neither ranted nor said anything particularly hostile. The rest of my posts in the thread are in the same vein.

Justify your last post, then. Massive overreaction on your part. Either you lack a sense of humor or you've never met me before, and I don't think you meet either condition.

Oh and I'll add that it's terribly rude of you to dictate when other people get to reply to your posts. Then to quote it in bold as if that somehow makes it any less ridiculous.

[Dilmah G]

Right, I missed the humour. Your lack of smileys confuses my intermahnet humour sensor.

EDIT: I said I wasn't going to discuss it (which was what I highlighted the sentence for, rather than as if to say "You're not allowed to post back! So STFU." which would be being a huge cock), and I didn't want a reply (because this thread is about our favourite cutscenes). Not that a reply wasn't allowed to be posted. I merely discouraged it. I'm not trying to rip into you or anything of that nature, after all, we're on the same dev team. It was just my observation that you were being arrogant/etc (not taking into account your humour in the statement).

EDIT2: For the sake of the thread, I think we should take this to PMs instead of cluttering the thread.

[The E]

I locked this thread once already. Don't tempt me again.

[NGTM-1R]

So...your point is that it's cliche and that's why its bad? (The FS1 intro I mean)
But cliche isn't necessarily bad, some people like it.

The whole point of  "presented well" and "presented badly" looks like personal preference, it's mere interpretation of what is presented.

We have these things. They're called data links. Have since the late '80s. They're pretty much ubiquitous to aircraft by now and they're working their way down the food chain of land vehicles assuming they haven't got to the bottom already.

Now, in a sane universe, we would never have had cause for this cutscene because the link would always have been open to home base. In an insane one, at minimum instead of the cutscene we got the controller lady should have been able to access the fighter's onboard records and download them to see for herself what happened.

Instead they present a COMPLETELY BUG**** INSANE universe where this technology does not exist; a conclusion that is further undermined by the times Command reacts for itself rather than being told ("My god it's the Lucifier!" anyone?) what's going on and then reacting, suggesting that they can and are moinitoring your sensors remotely.

The FS1 opening cutscene should have, at the least, played out in a script much closer to the MechWarrior 4 Vengence opening, with the station deploying fighters and recovery craft to protect Gamma's survivor and then either the reinforcements or the station itself getting whacked. This would not only have been somewhat more original, it would also have considerably better matched the technological and communications abilities that we know FS craft to have. (As opposed to crapping all over them.)

[Snail]

Seriously, Battuta. Why do you simply have to make such a big deal about how much you may or may not hate FS1? Why do you have to keep urinating on all of my sheets?

[The E]

And locked. Next time, take it to PM or IRC. That goes for everyone involved, Battuta.

[Jeff Vader]

This thread gaev me a sad

On the bright side, note that the poll is still open.

[Mongoose]

See, this is why we can't have nice things.

...also, the FS1 intro is awesome. [/inafterlock]