[Scooby_Doo]

Better get your VCR tapes converted over by then!  Just remember they all get destroyed during the second coming of Jesus. LOL

[Rand al Thor]

Haha, Monster Jesus. It's got a nice ring to it.

Um, why no more VHS?

[Snail]

Better get your VCR tapes converted over by then!  Just remember they all get destroyed during the second coming of Jesus. LOL

should i be ashamed i got that reference? D:

[StarSlayer]

I thought Legios XV Apollinaris, V Macedonica, XII Fulminata and X Fretensis under Titus put and end to these shenanigans when they pulled down the temple back in 70AD?

[NGTM-1R]

I thought Legios XV Apollinaris, V Macedonica, XII Fulminata and X Fretensis under Titus put and end to these shenanigans when they pulled down the temple back in 70AD?

Well, I think we've proved we can kill The Messiah certainly. No reason we can't deal with another one.

[StarSlayer]

I thought Legios XV Apollinaris, V Macedonica, XII Fulminata and X Fretensis under Titus put and end to these shenanigans when they pulled down the temple back in 70AD?

Well, I think we've proved we can kill The Messiah certainly. No reason we can't deal with another one.

Then Nuke should be practicing his pilum throw, cuz I'd rather use a tried and true method then depending on something that may or may not work.

[NGTM-1R]

Then Nuke should be practicing his pilum throw, cuz I'd rather use a tried and true method then depending on something that may or may not work.

Relax, we can just find some reenactors with gladii. That's much more likely the method anyways.

[StarSlayer]

How to best deal with Old Testimate Monster Jesus...

For all the times Gen Disc is a expanding ball of flaming debris it's discussions like this that make it all worth it.

[Flipside]

The thing that annoys me is that you can live your entire life being a good person, helping the poor, healing the sick, comforting the lost and the lonely, and then, when you die, get told that because you didn't thank some kind of deity every single day for the fact that you choose to do this, that you are 'on the wrong side' and therefore deserve to burn in Hell...

Not all sects of Christianity believe this, you know. Many, in fact, teach exactly the opposite... that what you actually do matters a lot more than what your claimed allegiance is.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/25/31-46#31

For whatever it's worth.

Oh, I agree, it's not universal and, if anything, Christianity in many parts of the world is one of the lesser offenders, certainly, CoE in many parishes seems to adopt an almost Bill and Ted philosophy towards religion, I can tell my minister I'm not a big fan of the Bible, and I won't get threatened with eternal damnation. But the ones that are getting all Doomsday about things tend to be the other sort.

It's as if, 10 years ago, all the religions were sitting in a bar and someone shouted 'Least fanatical buys the next round!'

[Goober5000]

What he means is that when the Second Coming happens, if you are not with Him you are with The Enemy and will be treated as such.  He will come as an avenger and all that serve The Enemy will be...dealt with.

Except that at that point, there will be no fence-sitters; everyone will have chosen sides.

Which brings us straight back to "God is evil" territory since, you know, he finally got around to absolutely proving himself and now he's going to kill you for it.

Wait, what?  Agnostics often question why, if God is good and is capable of permanently eradicating evil, does he not do so -- the Problem of Evil (tm).  And now at the point that he finally does so, you're going to hold it against him?  How does this follow?

Exactly. There's no such thing as an atheist so convinced that God doesn;t exist that Jesus walking around force-lightning-ing people to death wouldn't convince them. After all, all we've ever asked for is proof, and a beardy halo bloke standing on a pile of thousands of charred corpses would pretty much do the job I reckon.

Except that at that point it will be too late.

The thing that annoys me is that you can live your entire life being a good person, helping the poor, healing the sick, comforting the lost and the lonely, and then, when you die, get told that because you didn't thank some kind of deity every single day for the fact that you choose to do this, that you are 'on the wrong side' and therefore deserve to burn in Hell...

Being a 'good person' is not the realm of any religion, never has been, though many try to stick their flag in the concept, so any Deity supposed to judge people by what they believe, rather than what they do, has no truck with me whatsoever.

See the Matthew 25 link that Sushi posted, and also James 2.  The Biblical position is that a life of doing good deeds is indicative of a heart receptive to God, and a heart receptive to God is going to do good deeds.  They're intertwined.

[NGTM-1R]

Wait, what?  Agnostics often question why, if God is good and is capable of permanently eradicating evil, does he not do so -- the Problem of Evil (tm).  And now at the point that he finally does so, you're going to hold it against him?  How does this follow?

That assumes that belief makes you good, and non-belief makes you evil, as belief is the only thing being selected for in the end. A simple glance around you is usually sufficent to dispute this.

[Liberator]

When Judgement happens the only real deciding factor of your destination is whether you have honestly accepted Christ as your personal lord and savior.  Good deeds great things, and you are rewarded for them in Heaven, but they are not, on their own, sufficient to gain entry.  Think of it like this, God and sin are like matter and antimatter(kind of), God is perfect and cannot allow sin into His presence, therefore, people being sinners by default and being unable to not be sinners under any circumstances are unable to enter His presence in Heaven by themselves or by their own works.  Enter Jesus, the solution to "well, that's not fair" that is most people's reaction to the previous situation.  By being God made flesh he is the only sacrifice worthy as payment to enter Heaven.  Another way to look at it is this, one day, sooner or later, we will ALL stand before God under judgement for our actions and the way we led our life.  As sentence is passed, and we are damned to hell for being sinners, Jesus stands beside us and says, "This ones OK!  I'll take his punishment for him".  In fact this has already happened, Jesus died and walked through hell before being resurrection on the third day.

[Nuke]

im sure vlad the impaler accepted christ. and if god lets him in, might as well worship the devil.

[Spicious]

So if anyone sins in heaven, god is annihilated? There's definitely no god now in that case.

[Black Wolf]

You people take it all too seriously. Remember, it's just a game.

[NGTM-1R]

Think of it like this, God and sin are like matter and antimatter(kind of), God is perfect and cannot allow sin into His presence, therefore, people being sinners by default and being unable to not be sinners under any circumstances are unable to enter His presence in Heaven by themselves or by their own works. 

“He doesn’t want you to go there, Eric. Sure, he made it the default for your afterlife, and sure, he’s omnipotent, and could just not punish you for the rest of time, and sure, maybe his instructions are vague and contradictory and he’s never really done anything to correct this, but really, he doesn’t want you to go to hell when you die.”

[General Battuta]

Wait, what?  Agnostics often question why, if God is good and is capable of permanently eradicating evil, does he not do so -- the Problem of Evil (tm).  And now at the point that he finally does so, you're going to hold it against him?  How does this follow?

That assumes that belief makes you good, and non-belief makes you evil, as belief is the only thing being selected for in the end. A simple glance around you is usually sufficent to dispute this.

Agreed.

And it's utterly asinine as you simply cannot argue with the data. Which make it clear that the major determinant of whether or not you're Christian is whether you were born and raised in a Christian society.

Your particular mythology condemns the majority of the people on the planet for lacking a trait they never had the choice or ability to accept. If God were just, everyone would have a fair shot at it.

[StarSlayer]

If Christianity or any religion for that matter was the "one true religion" then really it should have spread across the globe spontaneously and independent of a central source rather then at the sword point of European conquest.  But it didn't, Christianity spread because it was borne by the explores and conquers sent from Europe across the globe.  Really, until the late 1400s when Europe really kicked off its exploration drive, Christianity is going to be confined pretty heavily to Europe and the Med.  So basically for the better part of a millennium and a half most of the world's population is pretty much being sent to hell since they don't even know Jesus existed.  Now I dunno, but if I'm Master of the Universe I tend to think I might have done a little more to make sure the Dogma that must be followed is spread a bit more quickly and peacefully then waiting 1400 years before the Vatican can give the Conquistadors orders that they can rape, butcher, pillage and enslave the indigenous population if they don't heel to the Church. 

[General Battuta]

Seriously.

[iamzack]

Exactly. There's no such thing as an atheist so convinced that God doesn;t exist that Jesus walking around force-lightning-ing people to death wouldn't convince them. After all, all we've ever asked for is proof, and a beardy halo bloke standing on a pile of thousands of charred corpses would pretty much do the job I reckon.

Except that at that point it will be too late.

I imagine "heaven" stuck for an eternity with your asshole god would be worse than hell.