Poll

Describe your behavior in War in Heaven

I identify with the Alliance
I identify with the Federation
I used a checkpoint at least once in the campaign
I never/could not figure out how to use a checkpoint
I called the bluff in M05
I threatened the hostage in M05
I killed the hostage in M05
I thought Darkest Hour was just right
I thought Darkest Hour was too hard
I killed Xinny and Zero
I let Xinny and Zero shoot me down
I found the Simms conversation easy
I found the Simms conversation frustrating
I found the Nyx dogfight too hard
I thought the Nyx dogfight was okay
I understood the pointbuy system in Aristeia
I didn't understand the pointbuy system in Aristeia
I thought the Vasudan logistics incident was a terrible accident
I thought the Vasudan logistics incident was an act of treachery
I felt good in One Perfect Moment
I felt bored in One Perfect Moment
I was shocked and appalled by the assassination
I thought the assassination was a good move
I loved the soundtrack at the end of Pawns
I really loved the soundtrack at the end of Pawns
I thought Delenda Est was too hard
I thought Delenda Est was just right
I love Admiral Steele
I want to kill Admiral Steele

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Offline -Norbert-

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Those two projects were from a time the Vasudans had contact only with the GTA, so you really can't compare that.
And I never said it would be easy, just saying that in the long run it might very well be the better solution.

 

Offline crizza

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Perhaps, having learned the lesson of the NTF Rebellion, the Vasudans have integrated a fail safe switch in reactors on terran ships, so they can simply disable them in a future conflict with the Tevs

 

Offline Qent

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Perhaps, having learned the lesson of the NTF Rebellion, the Vasudans have integrated a fail safe switch in reactors on terran ships, so they can simply disable them in a future conflict with the Tevs
That sounds like Gaius Baltar...

aaaaa tall blonde vasudan woman :shaking:

  

Offline crizza

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Now that you mentioned it...
But it would make sense...
"Oh, you terrans want to attack us with ships we designed? We don't think so..."
And click...a whole terran fleet without energie^^

 

Offline QuakeIV

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Remember, they designed them collaboratively.

EDIT: Though its not out of the question that the Vasudans could have pulled some strings/payed massive amounts of money to make sure the Terran engineers involved either looked the other way or were complete incompetents.

 
Re: The Massive War in Heaven Census (SPOILERS)
Terrans always wondered what exactly that big switch "War [ON]/OFF" was doing in the Emperor's office.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Once enough people have finished Act 3 I'll roll out a new, hard-hitting census. Journalism YOU can count on

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Hm. I won't probably make it.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Probably won't make it where?

 
Re: The Massive War in Heaven Census (SPOILERS)
"No contradictory options"? Deal with it--you make a story full of ambiguity and no clear right or wrong, you get non-clear-cut answers.

For instance, I identify with both the UEF and GTVA, and I think the blame for pretty much all of it comes down to the Vishnans and Shivans. It doesn't help that, in the end, neither side even knows what arbitrary goal to meet in order to be spared unstoppable xenocide at the hands of the jerkass, hypocritical gods. Said gods go really out of their way to ensure that humanity and vasudanity (?) have no idea what's going on, or if they even have an actual chance to be spared.

The assassination was deplorable. It's one thing to assassinate a traitor/defector, officer, or ace of some kind, but it's another thing entirely to assassinate a diplomat on a diplomatic mission. Don't *EVER* shoot the messenger.   
Delenda Est delenda est.

(Yay gratuitous Latin.)

 

Offline General Battuta

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"No contradictory options"? Deal with it--you make a story full of ambiguity and no clear right or wrong, you get non-clear-cut answers.

Salty, dude, your reasoning is occasionally baffling. 'I found the Nyx dogfight too hard' and 'I thought the Nyx dogfight was okay', for example, are clearly contradictory options. It has nothing to do with the story being ambiguous or full of no clear right or wrong. We do not need to 'deal with it'. It's just meaningless to select them both.

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The assassination was deplorable. It's one thing to assassinate a traitor/defector, officer, or ace of some kind, but it's another thing entirely to assassinate a diplomat on a diplomatic mission. Don't *EVER* shoot the messenger.

The position of extreme utilitarianism, though, might advocate shooting the messenger if it manages to save more lives in the long run than leaving the messenger alive.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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It's fun to watch humans be appalled about the fact that aliens do not seem to subscribe to their particular notions of morality :D.

 

Offline -Sara-

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It's fun to watch humans be appalled about the fact that aliens do not seem to subscribe to their particular notions of morality :D.

They only seem to do so themselves half of the time when convenient anyway.
Currently playing: real life.

"Paying bills, working, this game called real life is so much fun!" - Said nobody ever.

 

Offline Husker

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I identify with the federation: The tevs had no right to attack a peaceful people who welcomed them with open arms. All their excuses fall apart when one examines them.

I used a checkpoint at least once in the campaign: it was an accident. What kind of FREDding miracles were needed to pull that off? I like it though.

I called his bluff in M05: I admit, I read the wiki beforehand. But it seemed the logical choice.

I thought Darkest Hour was just right: The one where you babysit n00bs? Heck, yeah, that was fun ;7. Tell them to follow me, then deliberately go where the battle is hottest. Not one of mine died. Alpha on the other hand.... :nono:

I killed Xinny and Zero: And felt bad about it. It was me or them though, I pick me. I thought they were trying to rescue Snipes though.

I found the Simms conversation easy: Be direct and don't do something stupid.

I found the Nyx dogfight hard: Don't get me wrong, I don't want you to change the campaign difficulty, but dang. I couldn't do anything but extreme evasive maneuvers. Also found you can get the kent up near 270-ish.

I understood the pointbuy system in Aristeia: Easy. Open reinforcement menu, select strike bombers, bam, a wing of bomb-toting lunatics told to blow up a corvette. :p

I thought the Vasudan logistics incident was a terrible accident: It was all going so well. Then the Hesperia jumped in, and everything went crazy. I took out flirty in the first minute and then we mopped up.

I felt good in One Perfect Moment: Finally, a relaxing mission. Also, awesome scenery.

I was shocked and appalled by the assassination
I thought the assassination was a good move:
I was mad at the tevs for sinking to that level. I was sorry that the Vasudans were being played for fools by Steele. But I understand it. Though I am annoyed that Recamai didn't ask why the Feds would throw away their only chance to win the war.

I loved the soundtrack at the end of Pawns: I love all the music in Blue Planet. The soundtracks always match the mood of the mission.

I thought Delenda Est was just right: One niggle, you need to make a shortcut to find the main beams on the Deimoses. Otherwise, best mission yet!

I love Admiral Steele: He is a master strategist, and he plays a mean game of subspace chess. He kinda strikes me as someone who is doing all that he has only due to the idiots giving him orders. If he had his way the war would have ended faster and with fewer dead.
 :beamz:

 

Offline Rheyah

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Re: The Massive War in Heaven Census (SPOILERS)
I didn't play Act 3.  My SERIOUS bad.  I can't judge it until I've played Act 3 so I intend to do so.

Apologies for anyone that read this incomplete criticism.  I'm downloading Act 3 now so :P
« Last Edit: July 24, 2013, 03:27:35 pm by Rheyah »

 

Offline Rheyah

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I'd like to apologise to anyone who is offended by my above post, by the way.  It is, after all, just my opinion and should not be given any weight unless you feel it resonates with you.

I realise I should also point out some positives for balance.  I'll be shorter on these ones because I want to go to bed in a minute but don't give them any less weight than the complaints above.

1.  Sanctuary.  The plot of AoA was a great idea.  I love the idea of the last gasp of the terran race in a universe where they are all but extinct.  Loved the moment where the beams come out for the first time and thought "Yeah, that's how you blow up a Demon."  That part of the story was really well done.  If you ignore the complaints above, that's a really solid tale.

2.  The crew of the Orestes, the Temeraire and the Indus were all fleshed out pretty well given the space you had to do them in.  I think Simms and Laporte had a bit too much of a cross over in terms of character, but that's a very minor criticism which doesn't detract from the overall effect :)

3.  The mission design was glorious.  I particularly loved the use of training SEXPs to pull off complicated event structures within the missions.  I didn't even know you could do that until I looked in the mission files to figure out how you did it.  Those kind of little details make for an amazing experience.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 08:05:59 pm by Rheyah »

 

Offline Aesaar

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1. The GTVA

Your assessment is spot on, and that's exactly what the GTVA is in BP.  Bei thinks it's a UFP, and he's completely wrong.

Now, a couple questions for you: As you understand it, why is the GTVA invading Sol? 

Most importantly, have you read this?  It explains a great deal about the GTVA's thinking and approach to the war.  It's a long read, but it's very important.  Once you've read it, I'll be glad to engage in further discussion on the subject.

2.  The Shivans

Play WiH Act 3.  The last mission addresses your concerns gloriously.  Let's just say that AoA doesn't really give you much insight into them.  In my personal opinion, BP's approach to the Shivans has created one of the best precursors in all of SF.

3. Nagari

Again, Act 3 explains what Nagari is and why it's important.  It's got nothing to do with chosen ones or destinies.  Laporte kills things because she's a good pilot (or as good a pilot as you are), nothing else.


And you shouldn't think you're being insulting.  You've said nothing anyone would be offended over.

Sidenote: My position on the team is one of the 3d modelers.  I've got nothing to do with how good BP is.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2013, 08:39:01 pm by Aesaar »

 

Offline Rheyah

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RIGHT.

I am going to massively apologise because I thought I had already played all of this mod and was informed (by YOUTUBE no less) that I haven't in fact played all of it.

So I'm going to go and play Act 3 right now and enjoy the rest of my evening.  Once I'm done, I'll post my opinion again then.  However I was informed by two seperate people that my approach on this was wrong and that Act 3 substantially elucidates on it all.

I hope that is so because it would fix the last thing that I thought was wrong with this mod :)

 

Offline Luis Dias

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not only that, there's also this act 4 and 5 that isn't still developed.

 

Offline Rheyah

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Re: The Massive War in Heaven Census (SPOILERS)
I can't seem to find Act 3 in the campaign window.  Do I have to play through all of Act 1 and 2 again to play it or am I missing a file/install?