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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....

EDIT: Also, I gotta ask. What "gay bird debate"? You wouldn't be trying to delegitimize something based on non-existant controversy like some kind of intelligent design proponent would you Bengal?

I just didn't have any good title (and something similar to "Democrats are bad" or "Obama stimulus sucks" just wasn't enough), and I've seen that thread moments earlier. Nothing personal or offensive intended.

As for the sources they pull their numbers from, the cost of both wars is on page 33 of this: http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/117xx/doc11705/08-18-Update.pdf and it is 1.109 trillion (using the short scale; as in 1.109*10^12 USD), the rest of the stuff is (should be at least, I don't have the time and will to check all the sources) under the links in the article, and they also have a:

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part right under the article. Also, I wouldn't call .gov web publications that the author is using tabloids.
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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....
part right under the article. Also, I wouldn't call .gov web publications that the author is using tabloids.
I agree with this, but I'm saying that The American Thinker publication seems more like a conservative tabloid than a valid source. I agree with some aspects of the conservative agenda and some aspects of the liberal agenda. That article in particular is interesting. They're probably right, too--Republicans asking "where are the jobs?" may be a large promotion for areas with significant job loss. Even so, their accusations plus their name are at odds with each other.

I like the article and it illustrates a good point.
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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....
Well I ran into the article on another forum, that's probably the only thing I've read on American Thinker.


And BTW, where are those jobs? The unemployment rate didn't go down as much as the amount of money spent to fight it grew...

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=us+unemployment+rate
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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....
Maybe on topic... depending what the topic was... Considering the Republicans did anything and everything they could do to weaken the stimulus package, I wouldn't be surprised if it's failing.

Also,
Emergency spending, Aard.
The interesting thing about that is the majority has been repaid and the remainder will also be repaid in due time. In the long-term, it was probably a <$50m loss (thanks to inflation).

Wha??? When did this happen?

 

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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....
Maybe on topic... depending what the topic was... Considering the Republicans did anything and everything they could do to weaken the stimulus package, I wouldn't be surprised if it's failing.

Also,
Emergency spending, Aard.
The interesting thing about that is the majority has been repaid and the remainder will also be repaid in due time. In the long-term, it was probably a <$50m loss (thanks to inflation).

Wha??? When did this happen?

You really didn't hear about all of this? A lot of financial corporations converted to bank holding companies in order to have access to that (original) batch of money. $800-900b could be borrowed for a lower rate than from other lenders and with much lower interest payments. However, taking the money meant that they were required to adhere to a hodgepodge of laws including limitations on corporate reimbursement. Anyways, they took the money for a few months to bolster liquid assets. Most of it had been repaid last I heard a few months ago. It did get things rolling a bit for venture capitalist firms as well as allow other companies to start lending and others to start borrowing. Many of the best companies, such as Goldman Sacks, took the money to keep their financial ratios in balance and thus perform better coming out of 2008 and into 2009.

The surviving companies are on much better footing now. What I'm really curious about is how Obama's new limits on consumer borrowing and fees associated will do to these major companies' bottom lines as well as their survivability. Banks typically make the majority of their revenue from service fees--not just late fees, but also on commercial services. As a consumer, I'm happy that Obama's revising the laws so that we're not screwed out of $30+ because we missed by $0.10. The new limits basically say that the fee cannot exceed the amount--so instead of $20-40 fee for missing by $0.10, you now owe the bank $0.20 ($0.10 missed plus $0.10 fee). I haven't read the full law so I don't know what the limit will be, but people who miss by tens or hundreds of dollars might have a fee of the same amount.
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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....
Huh? No, that's not where the 3-trillion dollar figure came from. The 3-trillion figure came from military expenditures back during the middle of the Bush derpdom.

 

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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....
yeah, Bush was paying for the war with emergency spending to keep it off the regular budget figures.
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Re: To distract people from the gay bird debate....
yeah, Bush was paying for the war with emergency spending to keep it off the regular budget figures.

Any .gov website with the numbers on emergency spending I could visit?
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