[MatthTheGeek]

Err... Wut ? What's good with scaling down every Terran beam, I don't even.

With all due respect, this looks retarded to me. Sorry bro, I hate to be harsh like that, but I don't find any way to express it nicely, since my thoughts here are basically, "why the **** did you do that ?".

[Hades]

Err... Wut ? What's good with scaling down every Terran beam, I don't even.

With all due respect, this looks retarded to me. Sorry bro, I hate to be harsh like that, but I don't find any way to express it nicely, since my thoughts here are basically, "why the **** did you do that ?".

It's every beam because, at the default MVP size, you can barely see half the ships firing them. They're stupidly oversized in the MVPs and you'd be silly to think otherwise.


As an example, this looks absurd. If you seriously think that looks good then you seriously have awful taste.

[Admiral LSD]

Err... Wut ? What's good with scaling down every Terran beam, I don't even.

With all due respect, this looks retarded to me. Sorry bro, I hate to be harsh like that, but I don't find any way to express it nicely, since my thoughts here are basically, "why the **** did you do that ?".

 

just...

 

[Kolgena]

For some, size is the only thing that matters.

[Fury]

I fully support Hades on this. Mediavps beams have been way too large for the ships that fire them. It's ridiculous for beams to encompass and clip through large parts of the firing ships. This is much better and should be merged into mediavps.

Hades, while you're at it can you doublecheck that your Mjolnir beams are of sane size, unlike mediavps?

[ssmit132]

Just as long as I don't get vaporised 300 metres away from the visual effect.

[Vasudan Admiral]

The wide beam columns were my mistake from when I was last upgrading them - one of the things I added was a haze layer which needed to be really wide. Never occurred to me that would actually change the width of the beam damage. Now if only I could count all the players killed because of it as mine, I would have the best K:D ratio EVER.

The dimensions of the glows though I'm pretty sure were relatively close to retail values if not smaller. I distinctly remembering shrinking the aeolus beams to something quite reasonable, so I actually have no idea where this growth spurt came from to the present size.

Also I'd agree that the big beams must remain big! No dinky star trek phasors for FS!

[Fury]

Because it would be unreasonable to have three different versions of each beam - one for cruisers, second for corvettes and third for destroyers, it would be better if all beams look good on each three ship types.

And this literally means that glows on all beams must be small enough to look good on cruisers, yet large enough not to look stupid coming from destroyer turrets. This may result them looking more like ST phasors, but in my opinion it is reasonable tradeoff.

Hades' screenshots on the previous page speak for themselves. Beams look a lot better.

Just as long as I don't get vaporised 300 metres away from the visual effect.

This has already been fixed in 3.6.12 MVPs via +Beamwidth.

[Vasudan Admiral]

Nah I think small beams just look too unimpressive. Ruins the wow factor. Especially if the haze around them is reduced as it appears to be in the screens.

[Fury]

Massive Battle 2 doesn't have Aeolus, so here's retail screenshots of Bgreen and Terslash. Shivan beams comes as bonus.




Mediavps beams should be edited to be closer to retail beams in size, including glow and haze. Frankly, I've never liked how large glows and how wide beam haze has been in mediavps beams.

[MatthTheGeek]

Fury is right, what Hades did is going too far from retail. While I do agree that the resized SGreen looks better, I very strongly disagree with shranking the others beams. Resizing the haze to something more correct is one thing, resizing the beam itself to something much thinner than retail is a totally different matter.

Aside from the obvious "big beams are better because they're more impressive", the sheer size of Terran beams have always been a very core part of the "primitive beam technology" feel of Terran beams, as if lots of energy got wasted for a poor effectiveness.

I sure hope those modifications won't end up in the MVPs, or at least not without the required corrections. But modifying the current MVPs beams to something closer than retail could be done IMHO.

[Fury]

And now retail Aeolus.



Ugh, disgusting.

[Rodo]

Hate to go against everyone but I like beams as they are now, and even if you say I have bad taste I shall save my current table for personal amusement.
This patch will eventually go into the new mvp release, right?

[Hades]

This patch will eventually go into the new mvp release, right?

Discussions are being held on that right now.

Hate to go against everyone but I like beams as they are now, and even if you say I have bad taste I shall save my current table for personal amusement.

Fine, you can have your beams that, with every charge-up, destroy a section of the firerer's hull! No one can stop oyu.

And in general, this is a FreeSpace Upgrade project, and even if retail oversized the beams (especially the glows) does not mean we should have to follow suit.

[Rodo]

That's right, but I'm not against the improvement of mvps.
I just like my beams big and mean, besides the big thing goes well with the amount of damage these light columns deal.
I won't buy a small beam killing a Destroyer in two volleys.

[Hades]

Except none of the bbeams do that, which are a little bigger than the bgreen on the first page. Not to mention the BGreen doesn't even kill an Aeolus in one shot (it's closer to two, full shots) and the default MVP size has the beam as wide as the Aeolus, with the actual beam being even worse. The BFRed and BFGreen are still big.

[Qent]

I have to say, going smaller than retail definitely seems wrong. And if you look at the MVP Aeolus+beam you posted a page back, the beam is only that big because of the haze, which looks fine.

[Hades]

The glow is actually way too big too. Anyway, I'll probably change some beam sizes around, but that'll have to be for later, since I'll be away for a while.

[Nohiki]

I have to agree with this. The SGreen is way too big even in retail, and the two terslashes covering whole front of deimos are a bit off too, though they and the bgreen look really well on the hecate. Guess you'd have to make a clone of it for big and smaler ships but that's overkill xD

[Rodo]

Sure, I was just making an exaggerated example, it's clear that no beam kills a destroyer with only two volleys.
What I meant is that the beams are big right now, and that they go along with the amount of damage these inflict... somehow.