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Offline General Battuta

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Adding women to a group of smart people boosts the collective intelligence of the group way out of proportion to the intelligence of the women.

I'm skeptical of biological differences underlying this (no evopsych ****) but given the relentless training women get in social intelligence, it makes a degree of sense.

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also inb4 this is politically correct garbage: men with the same socint scores would probably have the same effect.

 

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hypothesis: all the men try to compete to show they are the smartest resulting in better overall performance.
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hypothesis: all the men try to compete to show they are the smartest resulting in better overall performance.

Nope, the paper contraindicates that mechanism pretty firmly. Check it out, it's a good read.

 

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I bet that gender dynamics also play a compounding role in addition to social intelligence scores.  Glad to see that's on the researcher's agendas to evaluate further.
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hypothesis: all the men try to compete to show they are the smartest resulting in better overall performance.

Nope, the paper contraindicates that mechanism pretty firmly. Check it out, it's a good read.
which part specificiallly?  because reading it, they haven't designed the study to focus on gender dynamics, so i reckon bob's hypothesis may be part of it.  but i think its more of a 'let's be serious here' rather than trying to impress.

 

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hypothesis: all the men try to compete to show they are the smartest resulting in better overall performance.

Nope, the paper contraindicates that mechanism pretty firmly. Check it out, it's a good read.
which part specificiallly?  because reading it, they haven't designed the study to focus on gender dynamics, so i reckon bob's hypothesis may be part of it.  but i think its more of a 'let's be serious here' rather than trying to impress.

No, Bob's hypothesis suggests increased competition, whereas the paper detects no effect of individual performance on group performance (a blow to the hypothesis) and confirms that the gender of the group is irrelevant, it's social sensitivity that matters, so a group of high-sensitivity males would outperform a group of low-SS women, which falsifies the hypothesis pretty well. Women cannot force men to 'be more serious' if there are no women present yet the SS impact is still present.

SS is just confounded with gender because it tends to be higher in women.
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iamzack you are now on all HLP project teams

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No, Bob's hypothesis suggests increased competition, whereas the paper detects no effect of individual performance on group performance (a blow to the hypothesis) and confirms that the gender of the group is irrelevant, it's social sensitivity that matters, so a group of high-sensitivity males would outperform a group of low-SS women, which falsifies the hypothesis pretty well. Women cannot force men to 'be more serious' if there are no women present yet the SS impact is still present.

SS is just confounded with gender because it tends to be higher in women.

what would happen if a similar study were performed in an online environment? what if you had 5 groups, two consisting of all males, two consisting of all females, one consisting of mixed male/female population, one of each of the homogeneous groups half the participants would be instructed to act as members of the opposite sex (might help (in terms of portraying genuine sexual attraction) if they were gay, maybe there should be two more groups where this variable is tested).

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No, Bob's hypothesis suggests increased competition, whereas the paper detects no effect of individual performance on group performance (a blow to the hypothesis) and confirms that the gender of the group is irrelevant, it's social sensitivity that matters, so a group of high-sensitivity males would outperform a group of low-SS women, which falsifies the hypothesis pretty well. Women cannot force men to 'be more serious' if there are no women present yet the SS impact is still present.

SS is just confounded with gender because it tends to be higher in women.

what would happen if a similar study were performed in an online environment? what if you had 5 groups, two consisting of all males, two consisting of all females, one consisting of mixed male/female population, one of each of the homogeneous groups half the participants would be instructed to act as members of the opposite sex (might help (in terms of portraying genuine sexual attraction) if they were gay, maybe there should be two more groups where this variable is tested).

This would have an effect if gender dynamics were important in group performance (they may be), but it's separate from this study, which simply demonstrates that social intelligence of group members is significant in determining group performance, moreso than individual intelligence. (In fact, your design is highly confounded by this factor.)

You couldn't tell people to pretend to be more socially intelligent.

Gender is only relevant in this study inasmuch as it is confounded with social intelligence. Your design seems to be focused on the impact of gender structure on the individual performance of each group member, but this study suggests that is less of a factor than a naive speculator would probably think.

 

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You couldn't tell people to pretend to be more socially intelligent.

exactly.

and I'm trying to determine how much if any the gender dynamics plays, so we can know how much of what was seen in the study is attributable to that.
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You couldn't tell people to pretend to be more socially intelligent.

exactly.

and I'm trying to determine how much if any the gender dynamics plays, so we can know how much of what was seen in the study is attributable to that.

Yeah but you can just determine that by running an ANOVA or regression on gender and socint. Isolate the gender variable. Looks like they did that and found no impact of gender, it was just socint.

 

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I can guarantee that I'd be the individual in a collaborative group bringing the group social intelligence down several notches. :p

 

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from what i remember from psych 101, is that women's brains seem to have a second language center where men keep their reasoning and logic centers. so women have a dual core processor as far as social interaction goes. of course this pushes their logic and analytical abilities to some small corner of the brain, though that barely accounts for zack's calculus scores. ive never actually had any formal math education beyond algebra I and some electronics oriented math classes. but while writing some algorithm for nukesim i accidentally used integrals, and didnt realize it until i looked up calculus in wikipedia. still i find even the most socially inept females run circles around me as far as social interaction goes. if it wasnt for my grasp on technological concepts id be a total idiot.
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