[JCDNWarrior]

While I realise this thread is a parody rather than a serious discussion, I guess I should link a site that deals in covering conspiracies (Not theories). http://www.prisonplanet.com/  Check out what's being said and done there.

I don't like crazy conspiracy theories myself, especially the whole UFO crap. I'm much more interested in Shivans than the usual stuff UFO people come up with. Still, economical, financial, psychological and other situations are definitely interesting me.

Sometimes people think something is a conspiracy theory because it sounds unbelievable at first, and in some cases it is crap (like aforementioned) but when you research normal documents you can definitely find out a lot of interesting and sometimes scary stuff.

So, don't immediately dismiss something, but take a few minutes to Google it up. Helped me found out what's true and what's crap.

- JC

[NGTM-1R]

While I realise this thread is a parody rather than a serious discussion,

Uh, it is a serious discussion. About ideas we believe are neither serious nor founded in fact.

[General Battuta]

A lot of good material from outside the US has come up here. The trick is going to be selecting one that has accompanying, robust poll data.

[StarSlayer]

There are some politicians here who truly believe this crap and some mayors declared their towns and cities "chemtrail free zones" (whatevere that is supposed to mean) and a couple of deputies proposed laws against "chemtrails".

How does that work? Do they get a SAM site set up to shoot down passing airliners or something?

[newman]

How does that work? Do they get a SAM site set up to shoot down passing airliners or something?

No, but it is estimated they have serious surface-to-air insult capabilities.

[Nuclear1]

Plus, they shoot down offending airliners with catapulted cattle.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
JESUS CHRI--

[StarSlayer]

fetchez la vache

[Grizzly]

A lot of good material from outside the US has come up here. The trick is going to be selecting one that has accompanying, robust poll data.

But usually, polls don't bother with conspiracy theories as they are mostly not based upon anything.

[Det. Bullock]

There are some politicians here who truly believe this crap and some mayors declared their towns and cities "chemtrail free zones" (whatevere that is supposed to mean) and a couple of deputies proposed laws against "chemtrails".

How does that work? Do they get a SAM site set up to shoot down passing airliners or something?

Plus, they shoot down offending airliners with catapulted cattle.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
JESUS CHRI--

How does that work? Do they get a SAM site set up to shoot down passing airliners or something?

No, but it is estimated they have serious surface-to-air insult capabilities.

LOL!!!  

I forgot to add the conspiracy theory about banknotes: according to this theory the difference between the value of banknotes and the cost of their production is stolen by the banks everytime a banknote is being printed.
Of course the basic fact that the value of money is based on the health of the economy of the state that emits it is just secondary. 

[General Battuta]

A lot of good material from outside the US has come up here. The trick is going to be selecting one that has accompanying, robust poll data.

But usually, polls don't bother with conspiracy theories as they are mostly not based upon anything.

Polling data exists for the belief that Obama is a Muslim or that Obama was not born in the US. We're looking for similar stuff.

[Dilmah G]

Polling data exists for the belief that Obama is a Muslim or that Obama was not born in the US.

Jeez, you'd think people have better things to do with their resources.

I guess that has the potential to affect voter behavior, though.

[General Battuta]

Polling data exists for the belief that Obama is a Muslim or that Obama was not born in the US.

Jeez, you'd think people have better things to do with their resources.

I guess that has the potential to affect voter behavior, though.

Understanding the spread of these types of myths and how they couple with voter behavior is indeed extremely important.

[S-99]

I forgot to add the conspiracy theory about banknotes: according to this theory the difference between the value of banknotes and the cost of their production is stolen by the banks everytime a banknote is being printed.
Of course the basic fact that the value of money is based on the health of the economy of the state that emits it is just secondary.  

You reminded me of something on the money topic, except it's real (not necessarily a conspiracy either, it's sort of known). But again, it's american. The fact that modern american money is WORTHLESS. Old bills use to say they were redeemable in gold or silver. Todays bills say that they are "Legal Tender For All Debts Public And Private" and no longer say they are redeemable for gold or silver.

In fact the american constitution says "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.".

It says only gold and silver. Today's american money is not backed by gold or silver. It's worthless because my government needs to be expanding or contracting the money supply based on economic conditions. I now love my worthless money that inflates all the time.

[Det. Bullock]

Not quite, the value of money is based on the health of the economy of a state (or economical area in the case of the Euro Area) and economy experts consider the theory paranoid and often associated with conspiracy theories...

[achtung]

I forgot to add the conspiracy theory about banknotes: according to this theory the difference between the value of banknotes and the cost of their production is stolen by the banks everytime a banknote is being printed.
Of course the basic fact that the value of money is based on the health of the economy of the state that emits it is just secondary. 

You reminded me of something on the money topic, except it's real (not necessarily a conspiracy either, it's sort of known). But again, it's american. The fact that modern american money is WORTHLESS. Old bills use to say they were redeemable in gold or silver. Todays bills say that they are "Legal Tender For All Debts Public And Private" and no longer say they are redeemable for gold or silver.

In fact the american constitution says "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.".

It says only gold and silver. Today's american money is not backed by gold or silver. It's worthless because my government needs to be expanding or contracting the money supply based on economic conditions. I now love my worthless money that inflates all the time.

The only reason gold has value is because we place value on it. It is also much more dense than a piece of paper, which makes it quite impractical to move.

[The E]

It's also infinitely reusable, and doesn't tarnish.

[Kosh]

Not quite, the value of money is based on the health of the economy of a state (or economical area in the case of the Euro Area) and economy experts consider the theory paranoid and often associated with conspiracy theories...

I'm pretty sure the fact that the dollar is now worth only a tiny fraction of what it was when we went off the gold standard isn't a conspiracy. The problem has been a change in economic policy. Thanks Kaynes.

[General Battuta]

Not quite, the value of money is based on the health of the economy of a state (or economical area in the case of the Euro Area) and economy experts consider the theory paranoid and often associated with conspiracy theories...

I'm pretty sure the fact that the dollar is now worth only a tiny fraction of what it was when we went off the gold standard isn't a conspiracy. The problem has been a change in economic policy. Thanks Kaynes.

Keynes. And inflation isn't problematic; in fact it's a key element of healthy economic growth. People are bizarrely, superstitiously fearful about it, but it's only uncontrolled inflation that's problematic.

Deflation is actually much more frightening.

[Kosh]

Not quite, the value of money is based on the health of the economy of a state (or economical area in the case of the Euro Area) and economy experts consider the theory paranoid and often associated with conspiracy theories...

I'm pretty sure the fact that the dollar is now worth only a tiny fraction of what it was when we went off the gold standard isn't a conspiracy. The problem has been a change in economic policy. Thanks Kaynes.

Keynes. And inflation isn't problematic; in fact it's a key element of healthy economic growth. People are bizarrely, superstitiously fearful about it, but it's only uncontrolled inflation that's problematic.

Deflation is actually much more frightening.

The 70's called, they want their stagflation back........

[S-99]

Not quite, the value of money is based on the health of the economy of a state (or economical area in the case of the Euro Area) and economy experts consider the theory paranoid and often associated with conspiracy theories...

Of which i'll say no **** too of course. Economies go through some crashes every now and again, and it is healthy to do so, they will always happen. I'm saying that by which my government now deals with recessions and debt is ****ty because it inflates the money. During recession and debt, the government wants to print more bills, not during recession or debt they want to not stop printing so many bills. In my opinion during the modern day this has gotten excessive.

The only reason gold has value is because we place value on it. It is also much more dense than a piece of paper, which makes it quite impractical to move.

The value of gold does not change. Gold is static, it does not gain interest and it's quality does not change. In which case, because of economic change of policy to start printing more bills during a recession or when the government gets in debt; this raises the price of gold. The price of gold has only gone up because of the increasing worthlessness of paper money. In which case paper money is not static, it does gain interest and it's quality does change.

Technically, money was better back in the day when the currency was 100% backed by gold (at least i consider it to be absolutely better). I consider it better because people who have gold don't lose money where people holding paper money lose money because of inflation. Gold preserved the value of the dollar.

In which case i think that money printing has gotten too crazy today (my opinion). What the real conspiracy that i'm trying to point out here (that people missed in my last post) is that todays bills no longer say they are redeemable for their value in gold like the old ones used too. I used the fact that debts in the constitution says are only payable by silver or gold, and the fact that today's bill no longer say they are redeemable for their value in gold. You can't pay debts according to the constitution with worthless currency (what i call IOU's). Why does paper money today say it is no longer redeemable for the equivalent value in actual gold like it used to say? Why is this trying to be forgotten?