Author Topic: Logitech M570 - A gem  (Read 6712 times)

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Offline Fury

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Because I use a mouse heavily at work and also use a computer at home for gaming, surfing, you name it, my wrist does tend to get tired and sometimes develop some pain. Sort of naturally I slowly developed accuracy of my wrist movements, which allowed me to use higher and higher sensitivity. Eventually I could move my mouse cursor from one screen end to another with relatively small wrist movement. Plus I brought my own Razer Copperhead to work, which is really accurate mouse. At home I use Logitech G5. Co-workers always got annoyed at my highly sensitive mouse settings.

But it wasn't enough, I wanted to get rid of wrist movement altogether. But my options in trackballs weren't many, particularly ones that might be good for gaming too. But then a co-worker mentioned this Logitech M570 to me. A brand new thumb-operable trackball, not long after I ordered two of them. One to home and another to work, the company I work at ordered and paid the second trackball.

A lot of people shrug off trackballs, either due to their mixed reputation, weird shapes or just simple prejudice. Most trackballs are ill suited for gaming, but there have been several exceptions. Namely Logitech Trackman Wheel and Microsoft Trackball Optical, both are thumb-operated trackballs.

The Logitech one was released back in 2000, so the tech is really outdated today and can't really match modern gaming mice. The Microsoft one got bad reputation because later production batches botched up the trackball manufacturing. Instead of fixing the problem, Microsoft stopped manufacturing the device instead. Idiots.

The new M570 is a successor to the decade old Trackman lineup, I got this little gem last Tuesday and have been using it exclusively since at home and at work. There's only two things I really miss in this new trackball mouse: horizontal scrolling and on-the-fly sensitivity control. Placement of the forward and back buttons is probably a hit-or-miss, it really depends on size of your hand if they can be used comfortably. Other than that, it's really great. I mean it. For office work it's a heaven compared to normal mice. At home it may not be a heaven, at least not yet. But it is decently good in gaming as well.

Since I've had it less than a week, I haven't had much practice yet, particularly in gaming. I'm quite certain my gaming skills with this gem will only get better and better as I get used to it. I did try FS2 briefly, it was definitely easier than with conventional mice. I suppose this would be potential replacement for those who like to play FS2 with kb+mouse combo.

What was most difficult was finding the best, most suitable sensitivity and acceleration. Of course my settings for normal mice were way too sensitive, at least for now they are. I believe I'll be able to increase sensitivity as my thumb's accuracy improves. With normal mice I've used highest DPI settings the mouse can use and highest sensitivity Windows offers, with "enhance pointer precision" selected. The "enhance pointer precision" is awesome, really. A lot of gamers scorn and hate it, saying their accuracy is off with it enabled. I think they just never bothered to learn it, it always has predictable acceleration depending on speed of cursor movement. My accuracy was pretty good in games with it enabled anyway. And now same settings applies to this M570, though sensitivity is lower than max.

I also tried sensitivity and acceleration options found in Logitech's SetPoint software with both my G5 and M570, but they were always worse than native Windows settings. I only wish Windows settings would offer even higher sensitivity than current max, for normal mice anyway. I wonder if I can eventually use highest sensitivity Windows offers with my M570.

At 60 USD, the M570 is not cheap unfortunately. Putting that much money into a trackball you may not like does put one off, I know. I took the same risk since I had never used a trackball before, but I don't regret it. Would I recommend this? Even at 60 USD I feel the risk is worth it. If you buy this knowing that you need to re-learn how your mouse works, I have high hopes it won't disappoint. Make no mistake, you will spend a lot of time finding the right sensitivity and acceleration settings as well as learning to use your thumb accurately. For this reason I miss the on-the-fly sensitivity control you often find in gaming mice.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2010, 03:10:12 pm by Fury »

 
I wonder if thumb-controlled trackballs don't just move RSI issues from the wrist to the thumb, instead of actually resolving them?

  

Offline Fury

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Always a possibility, though I remember reading an article that had researched into it and stated that thumb-operated trackball had least potential of causing RSI-like syndromes. They compared normal mouse, an index-finger/middle-finger operated trackball and thumb-operated trackball if I remember correctly. Since I saw that article during random surfing, I don't have a link to it at this time.

RSI and similar syndromes are always a possibility until you can control PC with your mind. But then I guess there's gotta be some mind blowing syndromes for that too. Pardon the pun. :p

 

Offline Klaustrophobia

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trackballs are irritating.  :ick:
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Offline Nemesis6

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The ones I've tried; problems with basic tasks like clicking a hyperlink without moving the cursor, other than that, last of precision, etc.

 

Offline Thaeris

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Someone ought to devise a combination trackball and standard mouse. Assumably, this would only initially be of use for gaming, but with increased hardware/software support, you might really have something with such a device. Of course, it would, like the trackball and 3D mice today, remain a niche device.
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Offline Solatar

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I've been using the Logitech Trackman Wheel for a couple years and I love it.  Nice to know there's a newer version out there.  $60 is a little steep for my budget right now, but I might be able to fit it in around Christmas.  Excellent find, I'll be picking one up as soon as I can.  I feel my thumb can handle more repetitive movement than my wrist, and if it does end up wearing it out: better the thumb than the wrist and all five fingers.  :D

I use a mouse 95% of the time for just random stuff, not games.  When I play FS2, I use a joystick.  I've played Freelancer and a few other FPS - not very competitively - with the Trackman, and I'm better with it than a normal mouse (which isn't really THAT good either).

 

Offline Kolgena

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Someone ought to devise a combination trackball and standard mouse. Assumably, this would only initially be of use for gaming, but with increased hardware/software support, you might really have something with such a device. Of course, it would, like the trackball and 3D mice today, remain a niche device.

You'd only satisfy half of the gamer population or so, since lots of people use the claw rather than the palm grip.

 

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My thumb is the one part of my right hand that seems to be feeling more stress than anything else at the moment (the bottom-most joint is really achy), so I sort of feel like something like this would be the worst possible thing for me personally. :p