[Scotty]

That is the whole point of my argument.  Zombie apocalypses are impossible for precisely that reason (among [many] others).

[Nuke]

Which is exactly why the "military base overrun by zombies" scenario is bunk, bull****, inconceivable, impossible, <pick an adjective>, etc.

They don't operate without support.  There are more tanks.  There are helicopters.  There are artillery batteries.  There are regiments of infantry support.

there's not a doubt in my mind that a military base could wall themselves off from the zombie hordes. but at some point they will need to leave that base. they would need to go on recon, hunt down survivors, find supplies, etc. they would no doubt use their tanks, apcs, helicopters up to the point that fuel becomes an issue. when it does then they would have to send soldiers out on foot.

this opens up the possibility that some of those soldiers would be wounded during the course of their mission. it is likely that those wounded soldiers would be brought back into the base, where they may become zombies. if the military are aware of what it means to get bitten, they would likely quarantine anyone who was wounded, concentration camp style. then enter human nature. in zombie movies people are always concealing that they have been bitten, people keep wounded family members around hoping they might recover, possibly unknowing to anyone else behind their perimeter. you would not only need to control the perimeter, you would also have to make sure nobody is doing anything stupid.

i think i would prefer mobility over fortification. id take a light armored vehicle over a tank. a humvee with a machine gun turret would be my perfected vehicle. id keep a load of mres, water, fuel, weapons and ammo. with doors and windows (4 inch thick windows) locked, there would be no way a small number of zombies could get in. a large number may be able to flip the vehicle. id use it to try to find a ship, which i would park some distance off the coast and use as a base. even if the zombies could swim, it is unlikely they could climb onboard. i would use that as a base of operations, if the area around it gets overwhelmed by zombies, it can always be moved.

[StarSlayer]

Still sorta depends, how big is the base, how much of the overall military infrastructure remains, how large and concentrated the zombie hordes are.  I mean supplies can be airlifted at worse, but to be honest I'd think rail transportation would still be viable and depending on a few factors heck even a vehicle convoy could still be manageable.  Then again time is against zombie hordes anyway, after the initial zombie population is stabilized, as in the remains of humanity has hunkered down and isn't easily accessible, they are no longer going to be easily creating new zombies, and well nature's a *****.  Dead organic material isn't conducive to long term existence and their going to decompose, quick.

[MR_T3D]

Still sorta depends, how big is the base, how much of the overall military infrastructure remains, how large and concentrated the zombie hordes are.  I mean supplies can be airlifted at worse, but to be honest I'd think rail transportation would still be viable and depending on a few factors heck even a vehicle convoy could still be manageable.  Then again time is against zombie hordes anyway, after the initial zombie population is stabilized, as in the remains of humanity has hunkered down and isn't easily accessible, they are no longer going to be easily creating new zombies, and well nature's a *****.  Dead organic material isn't conducive to long term existence and their going to decompose, quick.

and/or be eaten by animals that catch the scent of meat available and wandering around.

Add to this the fact that people offshore (say, the navy/some marines) are completely cut off from the hordes, and therefore able to use thier ships as safe bases, and hummanity as it is today is actually pretty safe from zombies unless we became genre blinded or some tv-based-trope.

[Bobboau]

there are a lot of assumptions required for that logic to work, for instance that zombies would follow the standard rules of decomposition, that animals eating the flesh of zombies would not become zombies themselves the same as if they had been bitten by a zombie. if you follow that then it should become fairly obvius how the earth would be ****ed fairly quick by the zombie apocalypse.

[Scotty]

Hey, Bob, if you're going to participate in the discussion, please recall that this is all assuming that the zombies behave the way they do in World War Z and the Zombie Survival Guide.  That's been fairly evident from the beginning, and you keep ignoring it.

And the above is disregarding that the alternative to both of those assumptions you pointed out is more bull**** than zombies in the first place.

[General Battuta]

Actually I think Bob's still right under those rules. I think the virus in World War Z would cross to dogs? Do I remember wrong?

[redsniper]

It killed 'em, but I don't remember if it zombified them.

[Scotty]

Actually I think Bob's still right under those rules. I think the virus in World War Z would cross to dogs? Do I remember wrong?

I don't think so.  It does in Resident Evil, and the movie adaptation () of I Am Legend.  Can't think of any others off the top of my head.

[Nuke]

Hey, Bob, if you're going to participate in the discussion, please recall that this is all assuming that the zombies behave the way they do in World War Z and the Zombie Survival Guide.  That's been fairly evident from the beginning, and you keep ignoring it.

And the above is disregarding that the alternative to both of those assumptions you pointed out is more bull**** than zombies in the first place.

ive mostly been assuming traditional zombie rules in this discussion, more night of the living dead than anything else.

[Scotty]

The two are almost identical, except the ones in Night of the Living Dead are everyone who's dead, regardless of cause, and the ones in Zombie Survival Guide/World War Z are only by transmission of bodily fluids (I think.  Might be just saliva, actually).

[Nuke]

in night of the living dead it was the recently deceased were coming back to life, that pretty much included anyone who was already buried, and anyone they managed to kill. many of the zombies in notld were in funeral attire, but by the time of the defacto sequels such as Dawn of the Dead (the original, not the ****ty remake), the zombies were no longer dressed like corpses, but appeared to be people changed after the initial outbreak.

[Kosh]

Oh, right, that kind of zombie that exists only where the pseudo-science used to justify zombies is even more convoluted and ****ty than normal.

Fact:  Zombies cannot get in the tank if you don't want them to.  If there is no one in it, they will leave it alone.  If there is, they will not be able to open it.  At all.

Fact:  Unless the zombie is someone who worked on the specific kind of tank you're using, at which point all intelligence is already gone, they won't know what the vital optics on a tank are (and since there are tiny slits in the front of most tanks used to fire and see out of, it doesn't matter)

Fact:  An Abrahms tank can travel 265 miles on a single tank of gas.  If you can't get somewhere to help get any errant zombies off, you're doing it wrong.

Fun Fact: An Abrahms tank can move at up to 70 mph (that I've seen) on a good highway.  Zombies will fall off.  Mythbusters has shown us this with much lower speeds and without a rotating turret.

The military base that gets overrun is overrun by bull**** and fiat.

Actually IIRC pretty much all tanks are designed so that they are completely sealed off in the event of a chemical or bio attack. As for clawing out the optics? Given that it is a tank I would think it would take an enormous amount of force to do that kind of damage.

[NGTM-1R]

How are they even going to get on the thing to claw out the optics when it's charging around at forty miles an hour?

Actually I think Bob's still right under those rules. I think the virus in World War Z would cross to dogs? Do I remember wrong?

It just killed wildlife, those that viewed zombies as a free buffet mainly.

[General Battuta]

Righto.

And yeah I don't think zombies would do much to a tank, or to any particularly coherent and organized force assuming secure logistics. I think a zompocalypse would be bad but something like the Loom (omg self-referential plug, bad form) would be a lot worse.

[Rodo]

Zombies, 
I still don't get why some of us would be converted to zombies and others just be a fresh meal, might have something to do with BRAAAAAAINS I guess.

[Bobboau]

well it depends on how hard you fight back how many of them are around, it you get wounded and flee you become a zombie, if you don't get away and especial if there are a lot of them around you'll get eaten.

[StarSlayer]

Righto.

And yeah I don't think zombies would do much to a tank, or to any particularly coherent and organized force assuming secure logistics. I think a zompocalypse would be bad but something like the Loom (omg self-referential plug, bad form) would be a lot worse.

I assume its a different Loom?

[Qent]

Righto.

And yeah I don't think zombies would do much to a tank, or to any particularly coherent and organized force assuming secure logistics. I think a zompocalypse would be bad but something like the Loom (omg self-referential plug, bad form) would be a lot worse.

I assume its a different Loom?

Yes.