[Kolgena]

So while responding to Hades' thread with resized beams, it refreshed my memory that the MVP Orion has a triple barrel chin turret that fires a beam. It also has these tiny midget turrets on its side(s) that sport either terslashes or bgreens. I can't remember.

How hard would it be to take the Hecate dish turrets and stick them where appropriate on the Orion so that it doesn't look as nonsensical as it does now? I think that part of the reason was that FSPort needed an Orion that only spewed blobs. But, can't we have like, an Orion with the current turrets as a separate model in the FSPort directory to override the mediavps_3612 one?

[mjn.mixael]

it would require a specialized POF for sure, wouldn't be too terribly hard, but compatibility might be an issue.

[Hades]

I could probably do this in PCS 2, I'll have to try it in a bit.

[Qent]

Doesn't Trashman's Orion do this? The one without extra turrets.

[Kolgena]

I think so, but I also recall most of the community disliking the general feel of that Orion variant.

[Commander Zane]

I think so, but I also recall most of the community disliking the general feel of that Orion variant.

I'm still trying to figure out why, the map setup is neater, it looks neater, and it uses unique models for the beam weapons. And there's .pofs and tables for an FS1 and FS2 version with their respected turret count.

[Droid803]

The Orion is a touchy subject...
Some people hate the current one.
Some people hate TrashMan's.
Some people hate them all.
I hate all the haters. They are, as far as I'm concerned, the reason why the Shivan fighters never get looked at.

[MatthTheGeek]

Can't agree more with Droid. Let the HTL ships alone and go work on ships that REALLY need love already !

[Nohiki]

I like both retail and Trashman's, the way they are. I say leave the tripple barrels, they are more than useful for mods, for example i use 1 barrel for blob, one for flak and one for beam/torpedo. If you change it, not only you get compatibility issue with port, but also with mods that might use that.

[TrashMan]

Slight correction - my Orion comes in 3 variants

FS1 stock - same turret types and numbers as in FS1
FS2 stock - same turret count, but turrets type corresponds to stock weapon mounts (beam cannon models for beam cannons)
FS2 upgrade - same as above, but with extra turrets.


And FYI - I generally avoid making shivan models because I don't feel I make good ones. And because I'm very human-centric.

[Commander Zane]

I know there's three, but what a lot of people seem to miss is that there are those other two versions that use Retail turret counts, and immediately dismiss it because of the version with added turrets.

[T-LoW]

I like the version with that one big muzzle instead of three. It looks more orionish to me than those standard beam-pods

[MatthTheGeek]

BTW, never managed to grab a DL link for TrashMan's Orions. Care to provide one anyone ?

[Commander Zane]

http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.363

[Kolgena]

Trashman, I don't want to come across as rude, but could we get permission take the turrets/layout on your FS2 version and copy them onto an FS2 version for the MVP Orion?

Also, I'm not sure why compatibility would be an issue. The worst case that's apparent to me is that modded Orions will be shooting from nonsensical turrets, but to me, that's far less important than canon Orions shooting from nonsensical turrets. I mean, this is unless the different turret table would flat out crash a mission upon loading.

[Nohiki]

I preffer not getting an error message every time i load a mission with modded orion instead of having that tiny little unimportant piece i wouldn't notice more than two times in the entire campaign look better.......

[Kolgena]

I don't understand how missions decide to spit out errors, so could you explain why you'd get an error message every time?

[Nohiki]

When the mission is loading it gives me a table error. Now you confused me, gotta look at it again if the problem isn't alsewhere

[Commander Zane]

I don't get error notifications when I use TrashMan's Orions ever.

[Nohiki]

I'm talking about the modded one. Nevermind that, i screwed up the table while remaking it for trashman's model. Still, i don't get why you whine about one turret when there are entire ships to be done -.-