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Offline iamzack

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WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Props to that guy for putting his foot forward and doing something, instead of just letting her jump.

  

Offline Nuke

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i watched that movie, it was amusing.
i would have helped in a different kinda way, by pushing.
I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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Offline iamzack

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she was pretty. i probably would have been too shy to say anything to her.
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 
she was pretty. i probably would have been too shy to say anything to her.
Huh... Zack (can I call you Zack?)... she was about to jump. Not really a good time to be shy, honestly.

 

Offline iamzack

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meh, it's not like i'd have had the size or strength necessary to drag her back over the fence, and talking at her apparently did nothing for that dude.
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Well even if you'd leaned down and grabbed her collar with one hand, whilst calling 911 with the other would probably have achieved the same thing.

 

Offline Kolgena

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Trying to pull her back would still have been a good thing to do, given you can guarantee she won't carry you over with her.

And uh, holding 130 pounds like that would be brutal on your forearm. You'd have to be very strong to keep that up for more than a minute or so.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Trying to pull her back would still have been a good thing to do, given you can guarantee she won't carry you over with her.

That is unfortunately not very easy.
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Offline Kolgena

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If you're much heavier, then I don't see it as being that much of a problem. I mean, worst comes to worst, you let her fall, which would have only happened earlier if you didn't intervene.

The point of that would be to buy some extra seconds so that another passerby might have a chance to help you out, or offer enough resistance so that the jumper feels some hesitation.

 

Offline Dilmah G

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And uh, holding 130 pounds like that would be brutal on your forearm. You'd have to be very strong to keep that up for more than a minute or so.
True. Call a close-by friend and tell him or her to run like hell and bring the car and some rope with them? :P

 

Offline Kolgena

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And uh, holding 130 pounds like that would be brutal on your forearm. You'd have to be very strong to keep that up for more than a minute or so.
True. Call a close-by friend and tell him or her to run like hell and bring the car and some rope with them? :P

How about use both hands and start screaming like a madman? I don't see why you need to phone someone :P

 

Offline General Battuta

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I'm actually pretty sure you're not supposed to grab them unless it's clear they're actually about to jump.

When that guy made his grab I was really nervous. Looked like he was going to knock her off.

 

Offline iamzack

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i don't think i would have been tall enough to reach her, and she looks like she is probably bigger than me in general
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

Offline MP-Ryan

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A lot of suicide prevention is simply making a connection with someone.  Physically touching isn't necessary (though in a case like this, it's perfectly acceptable).  Really, talking to them - even if you think they aren't listening - is often enough to delay the decision to take their life.

Talking to them in concrete terms ("Why do you want to kill yourself?") and reminding them that it isn't heroic or glamorous ("Your family and friends will care.  You are making a decision that they will have to live with the rest of their lives" / "It will hurt.  It may not be instant.  It may not kill you.") is highly recommended as well.

For someone who isn't trained to deal with suicidal people, a physical intervention (while preserving one's own safety) is fine.  It's better than doing nothing.
"In the beginning, the Universe was created.  This made a lot of people very angry and has widely been regarded as a bad move."  [Douglas Adams]

 
"You are making a decision that they will have to live with the rest of their lives"

I hate this one. Especially under not too uncommon circumstances it can also backfire horrifically. To share some personal experience, you can get to this point from isolation, neglect, loneliness. At that point the feeling of being alone and having nothing important to you can take its toll really fast. A such described distraught and hurt individual could very well hear it as : "You're still not important, I care about the people around you." , "Don't do it: for the sake of the people that didn't help you", etc. and other variations. It's not particularly fair or reasonable, but it's entirely expected to not quite be in a fully rational frame of mind. Not only is trying to guilt a broken person a low tactic, there's so many reasons why it might not work. If the person has a bad history with friends or family, or just perceives that they never did anything to help them in their lives, there's a sense of being disinclined to care about secondary problems that group suffers.

If the person's reeling from tragedy or stress, sure it's a good idea. If they've just led a ****ty life and are tired of it, it'll only piss them off. And if you've just met the person you're not going to be able to tell the difference. Why go for the coin flip?

Make a connection with the person by talking to them. Say that you'll miss them. Especially if you're a stranger, the surprise from that might slow them down. Trying to reach out to the victim by highlighting other people sure is an odd way of convincing someone they're not unimportant.

Humans will inescapably see things from their view. However, sometimes we try and step out of that and put ourselves into someone else's shoes without realizing we're still wearing ours. If you're not thinking enough from the other person's perspective and are still considering the effects it'll have on you or other people... you're still not really stepping into that person's shoes. You have to realize that at the very least, in that person's mind they have a very good reason for being there. None of your own conceptions of what a person should be able to endure, what makes life living/meaningful, what responsibilities a person has, none of this will necessarily mean them same thing to them. They've got a problem that needs to be resolved. It's unlikely that you can do it on the spot, but you want to be sure you don't attempt to devalue that problem, it'll just push them away.

[/rant]. It's a pet peeve of mine, along with people that go around saying people that commit suicide are weak, which thankfully no one's uttered here yet.

(slight edits to grammar made)
« Last Edit: December 11, 2010, 08:27:24 am by DarkBasilisk »

 

Offline CommanderDJ

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DarkBasilisk, that was a very thought out and meaningful post. And it was quite eye-opening for me, so thanks.
[16:57] <CommanderDJ> What prompted the decision to split WiH into acts?
[16:58] <battuta> it was long, we wanted to release something
[16:58] <battuta> it felt good to have a target to hit
[17:00] <RangerKarl> not sure if talking about strike mission, or jerking off
[17:00] <CommanderDJ> WUT
[17:00] <CommanderDJ> hahahahaha
[17:00] <battuta> hahahaha
[17:00] <RangerKarl> same thing really, if you think about it

 

Offline StarSlayer

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I'm actually pretty sure you're not supposed to grab them unless it's clear they're actually about to jump.

When that guy made his grab I was really nervous. Looked like he was going to knock her off.

Why?  If you can safely grab them and remove them from the situation with minimal danger to them or yourself, grabbing them seems optimal. You hold the initiative in that situation rather than having to react to whatever possibly random action they choose.   Plus even if your attempts to talk them out of it fail, your safely sitting on them till the Five-Ohs arrive and they get professional help.
“Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world”

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Well if you scare the hell out of them, who knows what they might pull on you. A knife, a gun?

Second CDJ's post as well.

 

Offline General Battuta

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I'm actually pretty sure you're not supposed to grab them unless it's clear they're actually about to jump.

When that guy made his grab I was really nervous. Looked like he was going to knock her off.

Why?  If you can safely grab them and remove them from the situation with minimal danger to them or yourself, grabbing them seems optimal. You hold the initiative in that situation rather than having to react to whatever possibly random action they choose.   Plus even if your attempts to talk them out of it fail, your safely sitting on them till the Five-Ohs arrive and they get professional help.

It's the second sentence of your post I'd worry about, especially in this case.