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Offline Alex Heartnet

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So, I spent a few hours derping around in creative mode and made this house:














While I agree it could use a bit more color and some more furniture, it's definitely a nice step up from having a blocky, symmetrical house.

 
Oh, I apologize. I thought he misspelled my name, as I've built an house and occasionally assisted in New Trashmania as well. I think all houses that have been build there should still be in New Trashmania.
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Offline TrashMan

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What I'm saying is that it could be a community project. A bit like the fenris, only not so intimidatingly immense.
But why would anyone wanna do that?

So that we don't have to just up and go off on our own. And if making a medival town doesn't float your cubic boat, we could always try building HLP Station.

A themed server? Kinda like the Old Port (that is a great server...a old coastal town). That might not be a bad idea.

I just wish qaz could port my kingdom together with Fenris :P But if he did that, everyone would demand their own stuff.
But it's not just my 2 kingdoms. I helped people all around - from DJ's keep to tommoexs giant tree house, to the Paramadics rail (to nowhere. His keep is at -5000)
After so much work, it's sad to see it go.

EDIT: Yes, if you built anything in New TrashMania, it's still there. The whole point of a town IS to have houses and be populated, no?
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The issue with multiworld setups is that they're a pain the ass to get working, use large amounts of resources and generally make it harder to configure any plugin so that it works across multiple worlds. This means that I don't plan on setting it up.
All cool with me qazwsx, 3 question for the time being
1. will you be building a "spawn town" in the reserved space?
2. will you be marking the edge of the protected space so we can find it easily?
3. will home warps still be available even if "landmark" warp locations are not?
There will be a spawn town, my current plan is for a week after 1.3 is released, me, Kyad and sandwich will build a spawn town and generally set up configurations and plugins on a whitelisted server running on a seperate machine (if interested, I still own the old hosting, it'll be running off that, unusable for anything really, but alright just for basic permission testing). During this time the current server will run as normal, if there's a reccomended build for 1.3 that pops up, I'll upgrade, but don't expect anything really.
Edge of the protected space will be easy to sort out, if you've been near fenris recently, you'll notice there's a "welcome to the GTC Fenris!" welcome message, I will be making "you are now entering" and "you are now leaving" messages so that you can easily tell when you've left the spawn area.
Home warps I'm currently debating. While yes, they're useful, I would personally prefer them having a warmup time to prevent them being abused when dungeon exploring, say you don't teleport until 30 seconds (or whatever, this is just as an example) after typing /home. Many times while playing survival with friends, we've abused the /home command when about to die in a dungeon, I still want to maintain that risk, but for ease of use and to try and keep the community together, my current stance is: I want to have warps and home commands, but I would want to use them with some form of warmup timer to prevent using them as a quick escape method

So, one relevant question might be . . though people will want to distance themselves from other builds, does Qaz have any sort of exploration restrictions? I know there were some concerns about exploration last time with regards to the map getting too big and the server suffering as a result of it.


To be honest, not really, the main issue with big worlds is backups become a massive pain. it's also no fun everyone being massive distances from each other if you want to just walk round the server and enjoy what people have built. And while that last statement does make the "follow local styles" rule seem a bit difficult to do, if people just keep things linked together by pathways or whatever, and keep respectful distances from each other if they do have different styles that the want to build in, I'm sure it'll work out fine.


This would be a third fresh start...

i kinda lack motivation for it. Nothing I build now can possibly match New TrashMania.

Then build a new New TrashMania. This time with 65.9% more Mania!


Weren't you listening?

Pure survial. Reproducing New Trashmania is impossible...well, MAYBE if if spend the rest of my life doing nothing but that...

New Trashmania would hardly be impossible, if you spent less time waiting for me to turn up so that I could do a bit of worldediting and spent more time actually building or gathering resources, you could easily have built new trashmania in survival.

Without creative just build something smaller, more detailed and intricate. Larger projects tend to have the problem of not getting finished (of which trashmania's skeletal wall may be an indication). Instead of being the God Emperor in your kingdom be the Dark Wizard in your stronghold. Or maybe the God Emperor in Exile in an alien land.

I would agree with spoon though that I don't really see the need for people to recreate older projects. The whole server is a community project essentially, and everyone adds to it. If two or more people want to combine their resources to build a joint project that's cool though.


I also agree with this post completely, giant expansive walls have caused nothing but trouble and wasted space. If you've got grand ideas, flesh out what you have first, a half-built intricate city is far more interesting that a fully enclosed giant flat plane. The appeal of Minecraft is creativity, building the same thing again and again is no fun. Playing survival to get to the end isn't what people do it for, it's the act of having to get blocks that gives most players time to think about what they're building. I've spent many an evening starting a creative project with a group of mates, only to realise mid-build "this looks like ass" because we haven't thought it through properly before starting. I'd go so far as to say that all my survival builds end up looking better, more detailed and well thought out than my creative builds.

EDIT: Yes, I'm looking into it being down at the moment, appears to be an issue with the hosting company's infrastructure, so I can't do anything this end.
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Offline TrashMan

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Weren't you listening?

Pure survial. Reproducing New Trashmania is impossible...well, MAYBE if if spend the rest of my life doing nothing but that...

New Trashmania would hardly be impossible, if you spent less time waiting for me to turn up so that I could do a bit of worldediting and spent more time actually building or gathering resources, you could easily have built new trashmania in survival.


Yeah, possible.
IF I devote my life to it. But some of us have some shadow of a life.
And note that I did work on other stuff while waiting for you to help with worldediting (when I was on-line f'course). And if I had worked on that the whole time till you came, it still wouldn't have been finished...so..no difference really.




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I also agree with this post completely, giant expansive walls have caused nothing but trouble and wasted space. If you've got grand ideas, flesh out what you have first, a half-built intricate city is far more interesting that a fully enclosed giant flat plane. The appeal of Minecraft is creativity, building the same thing again and again is no fun. Playing survival to get to the end isn't what people do it for, it's the act of having to get blocks that gives most players time to think about what they're building. I've spent many an evening starting a creative project with a group of mates, only to realise mid-build "this looks like ass" because we haven't thought it through properly before starting. I'd go so far as to say that all my survival builds end up looking better, more detailed and well thought out than my creative builds.

To each it's own.
One can plan at any time, not only when mining.

To me, minecrat is about building, not mining.
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Yeah, possible.  IF I devote my life to it.

The next time you think about logging onto the forum to whine about how Qaz isn't running the server the way you want him to, pop onto the server and do some mining/building with that time, instead.  You'll accomplish more than you expect.

Also, what a dick move, trying to lecture Qaz about the difficulty of balancing life and Minecraft, considering that you spent the better part of a month *****ing about how he wasn't responding to your request for creative mode fast enough, because he was dealing with real life obligations.

 

Offline TrashMan

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Yeah, possible.  IF I devote my life to it.

The next time you think about logging onto the forum to whine about how Qaz isn't running the server the way you want him to, pop onto the server and do some mining/building with that time, instead.  You'll accomplish more than you expect.

Also, what a dick move, trying to lecture Qaz about the difficulty of balancing life and Minecraft, considering that you spent the better part of a month *****ing about how he wasn't responding to your request for creative mode fast enough, because he was dealing with real life obligations.

Qaz made a few assumptions about what I did/didn't do while he was off-line, and I corrected them. That's pretty much.

And you are dead wrong if you think I don't appreciate qazes hosting of the server - if you recall I was suggesting donating to qaz as a thank you. Let's not also forget he helped me with preparing the terrain for New Trashmania, he copied the wall section for me and he gave me creative.
So the next time you wan to be  dick and make assumptions about me - don't.

And if you want to make assumptiona about how much time I have, how long something takes me to build and how I devide that time - don't.
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Don't even start, you two.
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The issue with multiworld setups is that they're a pain the ass to get working, use large amounts of resources and generally make it harder to configure any plugin so that it works across multiple worlds. This means that I don't plan on setting it up.
Well ****. :(

 

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Qaz may not want to set it up, but Kyad and myself may just be ignorant enough to give it a try... if Qaz isn't outright opposed, that is. ;) In other words, if Qaz's opposition to it is having to do it himself, we might give it a try and see how it goes. OTOH, if Qaz doesn't like the idea in general, well... it's still his server.
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline Polpolion

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IMHO a read only world is in order since keeping the old world on the server totally defeats the purpose of trying to make a clean slate.

 
IMHO a read only world is in order since keeping the old world on the server totally defeats the purpose of trying to make a clean slate.

It would also further split a very small user base.


That small user base may be one reason behind the fresh slate as well. While it can be disheartening to say goodbye to past work, it can be invigorating to start afresh as well. So a new world may have the effect of getting more people playing again to start new projects in a new land.
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The issue with multiworld setups is that they're a pain the ass to get working, use large amounts of resources and generally make it harder to configure any plugin so that it works across multiple worlds. This means that I don't plan on setting it up.
Well ****. :(

Um, Qaz... it's not hard to get them working
You create the world via commands (https://github.com/Multiverse/Multiverse-Core/wiki/Custom-Generator-Plugins), and then you can teleport to said world right afterwards.

Resources? "[Conserve memory](https://github.com/Multiverse/Multiverse-Core/wiki/World-properties#wiki-memory) by having some worlds NOT keep their spawn chunks loaded! "

Thirdly, I haven't encountered any plugins that are made harder to configure


Although, Polp makes a good point and my purpose here isn't to push, just inform
"No"

 

Offline Axem

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Well on one hand, I'm a little bummed, but on the other this might be for the better.

The server map is really huge and we're all really spread out. Despite the best efforts of the rail system, it still takes minutes to go to everyone's own secluded area. So this new start might bring us all closer and be a little more vibrant.

Also having multiple worlds on the server kind of defeats the purpose. Then you'll have fewer people who go on either world, just decreasing the apparent population even more.

So I say, BRING ON THE RESET!

 

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IMHO a read only world is in order since keeping the old world on the server totally defeats the purpose of trying to make a clean slate.
That's all well and good for those of us who want a clean slate, but there seem to be at least a couple of us who are just fine with the status quo.  If Sandwich and Kyad are willing to give it a shot, what's the harm in letting people build where they want to?

 

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If Sandwich and Kyad are willing to give it a shot, what's the harm in letting people build where they want to?

I should clarify: if we kept the old world on as a separate world, I currently am leaning towards it being read-only. I haven't talked that over with anyone, it's just my current opinion, not really based on anything specific.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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*sigh*

If I can ask without sounding like too much of a douche, just what prompted this whole decision, anyway?  If it's a matter of wanting a brand new area to build in, last time I checked, we have a whole lovely southern continent that's pretty much untouched.  Hell, you could move the spawn point down there, and you'd have a fresh new world to work with, and all the old stuff would still be there if someone felt like making the trek back.  Or was laying a few kilometers' worth of rail in the Nether a pointless exercise in the end?

 

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[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

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[16:57] <CommanderDJ> What prompted the decision to split WiH into acts?
[16:58] <battuta> it was long, we wanted to release something
[16:58] <battuta> it felt good to have a target to hit
[17:00] <RangerKarl> not sure if talking about strike mission, or jerking off
[17:00] <CommanderDJ> WUT
[17:00] <CommanderDJ> hahahahaha
[17:00] <battuta> hahahaha
[17:00] <RangerKarl> same thing really, if you think about it

 

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