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Offline Fury

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
It has always annoyed me that people keep calling hi-poly models HTL models, HTL means something very different and has nothing to do with models.

 

Offline Black Wolf

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Not on HLP it doesn't. Live with it.
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Offline Snail

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
It has always annoyed me that people keep calling hi-poly models HTL models, HTL means something very different and has nothing to do with models.
But it sounds coooool. :(

 

Offline TrashMan

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Well given that we're changing the weapons and balance and stuff, I think changing canon is probably already going to happen, to some extent.

Not really....damage, RoF and range numbers of weapons should not be considered "hard" universe canon, but gameplay decisions that are divorced from the universe (setting) itself.

However, changing overall story events is a far more serious matter. The chain of events has to be kept the same. Adding more ships to a battle, directing it a bit differently - all fine. But the overall plot and atmosphere should be left as they are.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Why don't you make a thread that consists on a kind of competition, with all missions displayed and listed, everyone grabs a mission and tries to alter it to the best possible thing (perhaps after changing the weapons and stuff), and then people vote in the end and bang, we get FS:R?

Perhaps chaotic, but would present a possibility for everyone to contribute to the campaigns that are the most central ones to everyone in here.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Why don't you make a thread that consists on a kind of competition, with all missions displayed and listed, everyone grabs a mission and tries to alter it to the best possible thing (perhaps after changing the weapons and stuff), and then people vote in the end and bang, we get FS:R?

Perhaps chaotic, but would present a possibility for everyone to contribute to the campaigns that are the most central ones to everyone in here.
Sounds good at first, but runs the risk of dying early (bystander effect?) or coming out with a botched, disharmonious project.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Yeah I know :)

But I pain a little by knowing that someone with incredible different tastes than my own will do these things....

At least try to maintain the fast pace of the game, and don't do those kind of in-game animations that prolong for minutes while the camera spans 2 degrees per hour. They kinda fit with the new campaigns because it sets a new mood, but the old mood doesn't fit with it. I hope the fredders realise this ahead of time.

 

Offline mjn.mixael

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
On the subject of in-game cutscenes, I'll throw in my 2 cents.

They don't bother me at the beginning or end of missions as much, but when they happen while I'm trying to shoot at some one, dang-it, it pisses me off... (I'm lookin at you WiH, regardless of how much I like you...)
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Offline TrashMan

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Why don't you make a thread that consists on a kind of competition, with all missions displayed and listed, everyone grabs a mission and tries to alter it to the best possible thing (perhaps after changing the weapons and stuff), and then people vote in the end and bang, we get FS:R?

Perhaps chaotic, but would present a possibility for everyone to contribute to the campaigns that are the most central ones to everyone in here.

It has one flaw - lack of overall direction. And making consequences like "ship X destroyed in mission 3, will not appear in mission 10" becomes more difficult.
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Offline Kusanagi

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Why don't you make a thread that consists on a kind of competition, with all missions displayed and listed, everyone grabs a mission and tries to alter it to the best possible thing (perhaps after changing the weapons and stuff), and then people vote in the end and bang, we get FS:R?

Perhaps chaotic, but would present a possibility for everyone to contribute to the campaigns that are the most central ones to everyone in here.

This might work except for the fact that FRED academy hasn't worked out too well.

FWIW, I agree with Black Wolf and Goober5000 but would love to be proven wrong. Changing some of the events so they are timed better, changing the balance issues so they work better, changing the AI, etc would all be good improvements. But changing the VA or rewriting entire missions  or adding new ones? I don't see that happening without a LOT of contention, to be honest.

And I don't think you can look to ST:R as the be-all example as it doesn't necessarily fit the bill for several reasons. ST:R changed the original ST from a FS1 expansion to a bridge between the two games and their established facts, even if there were creative liberties. With FS1 and FS2, those stories don't have closed bookends like Silent Threat did.

I can see individual missions being redone ala High Noon and Bearbaiting, but given how much contention there is on the forums between small teams or when different models for consideration come up, I'm very curious to know how it would all play out.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
This would only happen if a few skilled, compatible FREDders became available from their existing projects. It would under no circumstances be done the way Luis Dias proposes. It will probably not happen for some time and may never happen at all.


 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
yeah that's more like what I think it will happen.

But hey at least the idea is in the air ;)

 
Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
For what it's worth, I also approve of the idea.

Though probably, instead of going with the goal of redoing everything, just focus on the least fun or most broken missions and work up from there. For example, the two examples mentioned already.

Make it a FS1/2 FREDders' Cut, instead of so much a Reborn.

 

Offline BrotherBryon

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
I like the idea but like many others I fear this project may become too big in scope if it tries to tackle the monumental task of completely rewriting the main campaigns. Perhaps recreating existing mission profiles using the currently available resources would be the best approach at least as a start. 
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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Well first the team lead (guessing it's Fury?) needs to lay down what exactly this is going to be, first, I reckon. We've got Freespace: Reimagined, Freespace:Furified, and Freespace:Reloaded, floating around here. ;)

 

Offline TrashMan

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Exactly. Before anything starts, things have to be put "on paper".
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
Exactly. Before anything starts, things have to be put "on paper".

Ok, just poll it!!

(That was a joke)

 

Offline Snail

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Offline TrashMan

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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Upgrading the FS1 and FS2 campaigns?
if this gets done it's not going to get done by putting anything on paper in public or listening to the dictates of a 'team lead'.

for now, let it rest. if conditions are right it may begin.