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Offline Drogoth

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Kinda wanted some opinions on the Tea Party. What do you people think?

I think they're retarded. For various reasons which I suppose I could get into if someone is actually interested in the debate. But yeah, Tea Party. Thoughts?
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Man getting rid of them is too hard.  Let just elect them to office where they can't do any real damage.
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Setting aside my disgust at the message behind this movement; one of theocracy and right-wing nonsense, the biggest problem with the tea-party isn't even their message. Their biggest problem is that they don't know what they stand for. You'll find all kinds of stuff coming from their rallies and forum debates, such as: The president's a secret Muslim, communist, nazi sand-nigger, the president's part of the NWO who wants to kill 80% of the world's population, that his policies are those of "big government". My favorite is the birth certificate paranoia they have going, because that ties in with how loosely-knit a group they are, because the tea party movement has all kinds of kooks, including Ronbots(Ron Paul supporters),  fundagelicals like Sarah Palin, infowarriors(Conspiracy theorists), and of course the good old racists. Hence, they have no shortage of bad craziness to spread amongst their followers. The only thing that keeps them united under the same flag is opposition to taxes.

Basically, they're like the delusional mind of Glenn Beck split into a million pieces, who will occasionally go together to rally for the one thing that unites them: Crazyness.

Also, an underlying motive of their entire movement seems to be racism.
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I can see they've done an excellent job of provoking/trolling anyone who disagrees with right-wing politics.

Not taking sides here :p
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Should be dumped into the ocean but that would piss off the environmentalists.  Shooting also results in lead pollution.  Making rope takes material that could be used for clothing.  Oil is too expensive to boil them in.  Using them for animal feed would probably poison the animals and/or contaminate the food chain. 

Man getting rid of them is too hard.  Let just elect them to office where they can't do any real damage.

I've developed an efficient and beneficial method of getting rid of people like that. What you do is, you give them a short course in clearing mines, then you give them the basic equipment and send them somewhere where mines still exist. If they paid attention, they'll probably clear some mines - but even if they haven't, they'll get at least one :P
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If cutting all government spending and cutting taxes so rich people can save more money will help any problems the US has right now... then by all means let them have their way. :rolleyes:

 

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The fascinating thing is that they were, originally, a bunch of people who were protesting taxes in the usual meaningless drivel struck down by the courts every time way. This did not provide a sound base for rational discourse, obviously, but then the movement was co-opted and blatantly astroturfed to power.

Unfortunately they irrationality of it all amusingly backfired and there are a minimum of six different groups who now claim to be the leaders of the movement.
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They're basically neo-cons who washed out of college.
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They started out with what they considered to be good intentions, then Fox News latched onto it and made it out to be something entirely other from what it was, directing all the nuts, wierdos and people with a grudge against anything and everything to it.

 

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The really fascinating thing is that the original colonists were *****ing about taxes that were less than what people in England were paying... Colonists' taxes weren't even enough to cover the cost of running the colonies. Not to mention most of the colonists didn't even pay their taxes anyway.

I wonder if the current Tea Party will start looking to the Sons of Liberty.
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If this is going to turn into a mud-slinging thread (which it looks like it is, already) I can just close it now and avoid wasting everyone's time.

If this is going to be a serious discussion then people should start being serious.

  

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Well, as I said before, it was started by well intentioned people with an opinion. I didn't agree with those opinions but it was really a coin-toss as to whether they were right or not, because it was about 'where do we go from here?', and you cannot say which method will work until it's been tried. The problem is that it also attracted people like Christine O'Donnell and her 'human brains in mice' mentality.

Fox loves people like that, and so she with her 'opinions' has tended to get a lot more airtime than those who actually have a sane position to represent. I think that over the years the real purpose of the Tea Party has been lost, thanks to the media, and it is largely considered to be a loose collection of nutcases. There may still be a sane message in there that needs to get out, but until they can get rid of the popularity leeches, it's going to be very difficult to put those opinions forward.

 

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the message behind this movement is cutting government spending (and therefore taxation), anything else was tacked on top of that.
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Exactly, and that's a lot of tacking.

Also, I think there are problems with the name, I understand the original intention behind calling it the 'Tea Party', but I wouldn't be surprised if more people nowdays associated that name more with Alice in Wonderland than Boston, and get visions of several mad people running around shouting at each other. This possibly does not help.

 

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The really fascinating thing is that the original colonists were *****ing about taxes that were less than what people in England were paying... Colonists' taxes weren't even enough to cover the cost of running the colonies. Not to mention most of the colonists didn't even pay their taxes anyway.

I wonder if the current Tea Party will start looking to the Sons of Liberty.

I've always been taught that it was less about taxes than it was paying taxes to a government that ignored them when they needed help and prevented them from helping themselves. In fact, taxation is only a small bullet point mentioned once in the Declaration of Independence.

I really wish people would actually take the time to read the grievances...

 

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Exactly, and that's a lot of tacking.

Also, I think there are problems with the name, I understand the original intention behind calling it the 'Tea Party', but I wouldn't be surprised if more people nowdays associated that name more with Alice in Wonderland than Boston, and get visions of several mad people running around shouting at each other. This possibly does not help.

Not to mention in the UK tea party is completely unrelated concept and a very formal and conservative institution
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It's nothing special*. Just another symptom of the usual two-party seesaw partially conflated with the racism that often gets bound up in economic issues.

Nobody ever wants to cut taxes or government spending. Nobody. People say they do, but if you break it down item by item, any given American (including Tea Party members) will usually support most of the items, because they think Big Government and Welfare and Taxes are bad, but they think [any given individual item] generally sounds like a good thing. And all you have to do is look at the history of both parties in power to see what they usually do about government spending and deficits (tip: it is not 'reduce)

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In all fairness, Goob, the opening post asked for opinions regarding the Tea Party.  Calling something ****, when you think it's **** is just honesty.

The Tea Party is a movement, established by mainstream Republicans, as a counter to the "grassroots" campaigns of the Democrats.  Unlike the Democratic equivilants, though, the Tea Party has gotten way, way beyond the Republicans' control.  The GOP got the far right wing of their party so fired up that they're in danger of fracturing the GOP into a right/center-right party and a far right party.  The short-term political gains that the GOP has made will likely be lost in the long term, should the general population get a sense of disunity within the Republican party.

The Tea Partiers themselves compose a very, very vocal minority that simply gets more press than it deserves, by all rights.  Americans are by and large ambivilant about politics, so when a movement as extreme as the Tea Party emerges, their claims of representing mainstream America are best met with skepticism.  Unlike most Americans, though, the press tends to immerse itself in politics, so members of the press corps tend to see (and thus report more heavily on) the viewpoints of these extreme political minorities, rather than the opinions of the ambivilant political majority.  They report on the Tea Party and other politically extreme groups as representing America, because, almost like a member of the movement, they become so immersed in the rhetoric that they start to believe some of it.  This is why, if you look at raw polling data, you see that Americans rarely stray far from a pretty stable political center, but when you look at political reporting for the last twenty or thirty years, you'd think everybody in the land was a political schizophrenic, swinging from one end of the political spectrum, all the way to the other every two to four years.  By 2016, the Tea Party will be forgotten, probably replaced by some analogue on the left, and by 2020, that will be replaced by another group of loonies on the right.

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Nobody ever wants to cut taxes or government spending. Nobody.

That's not entirely true.  You're right about nobody wanting to cut spending, as they do enjoy having the government services available.  Nobody particularly likes paying for those services, though, largely because many think that with a fiver and some effort, you can patch roads, run a school, provide emergency services, etc.  Taxes are only necessary because of bureaucracy and lazy government employees!

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I wouldn't be surprised if more people nowdays associated that name more with Alice in Wonderland than Boston, and get visions of several mad people running around shouting at each other.

With Sarah Palin appointed to the helm, Alice in Wonderland is probably a better point of reference anyway.  [/zing]

 

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Exactly, and that's a lot of tacking.

Also, I think there are problems with the name, I understand the original intention behind calling it the 'Tea Party', but I wouldn't be surprised if more people nowdays associated that name more with Alice in Wonderland than Boston, and get visions of several mad people running around shouting at each other. This possibly does not help.

Not to mention in the UK tea party is completely unrelated concept and a very formal and conservative institution


No they mean this Tea Party.
 
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