[iamzack]

yeeaahh..

in the age of wikileaks?

if any of that's true, we'll find out shortly.

[Bobboau]

the cool part about conspiracies is that you can't prove they didn't happen.

[iamzack]

can't prove i don't have an invisible unicorn carcass under my bed either

'nother point against the West being involved in ousting Mubarak: why cause a huge stir like this? it would have been so much simpler to just wait for the next election and then prevent Mubarak from fixing it for himself. durr.

[peterv]

O.K. let's wait and see what the next government will be like and what the Israel will do with the gas. 

the cool part about conspiracies is that you can't prove they didn't happen.

So very true 

[iamzack]

other than use it to blow up brown people with the wrong religion?

[peterv]

Other than allowing Turkey and Egypt to claim and control parts of the leviathan gas field.

[iamzack]

Israel helped overthrow the Egyptian government so that Egypt and Turkey could control some of its oil?

What?

[Bobboau]

well, ok, lets assume that Israel exploits the situation, how does that prove they engineered it? why couldn't they just be taking advantage of some regional chaos? how would you expect them to act if this just happened on it's own? and is that gas field really worth the loss of probably their 2nd most important political ally? if you want to say Israel is evil and greedy, fine, but are they stupid?

[peterv]

well, ok, lets assume that Israel exploits the situation, how does that prove they engineered it? why couldn't they just be taking advantage of some regional chaos? how would you expect them to act if this just happened on it's own? and is that gas field really worth the loss of probably their 2nd most important political ally? if you want to say Israel is evil and greedy, fine, but are they stupid?

First of all, Israel is evil and greedy as everyone else, only a bit more smart and united.
I am not trying to prove anything, i just suppose that due to the outcome of all this, the revolution was orchestrated.
the gas field can stop the Europeans from buying gas from Russia. It's to much complicated for me to prove anything, i'm just trying to figure out how a revolution happens in Mubarak's Egypt and he is stepping down with out a masacre.

[iamzack]

i think you ate some bad mushrooms, dude

[peterv]

They were quit good mushrooms actually 

[Bobboau]

First of all, Israel is evil and greedy as everyone else, only a bit more smart and united.
I am not trying to prove anything, i just suppose that due to the outcome of all this, the revolution was orchestrated.
the gas field can stop the Europeans from buying gas from Russia. It's to much complicated for me to prove anything, i'm just trying to figure out how a revolution happens in Mubarak's Egypt and he is stepping down with out a masacre.

I think you have a nation of millions of PISSED OFF people calling for his blood, I think He didn't realize how ****ed his position was initially, but I think his military explained it to him. I think the military realizes what the situation is, they realize they have no hope of suppressing the ENTIRE nation, and even if they could they would have no nation left afterwards. I've been looking into some of the stories about how all of this happened, and there were a lot of smart _Egyptian_ people leading this in a decentralized manner, basically the Egyptian branch of Anonymous just overthrew the government. and to go back to a previous post of yours, getting rid of a dictator who still has command of his military when all you have is sticks and rocks and no political support is a _VERRY_ ****ING impressive thing to do. Just look into who was leading most of this stuff, there were Google and Oracle executives organizing protests online, why do you think they cut off the Internet?

[peterv]

WHEN did they cut off the Internet? And for how long?
Anyway, i understand your point of view i find it very optimistic, and i really hope that you're right and not me.
I also hope that there is life after death and i can prove it as much as i can prove that there is not.

[Bobboau]

wait, did you not hear about that or are you implying something in the timing? they cut off the Internet shortly after the protests reached critical mass, basically too late to stop the effect. and my "point of view" is simply what the evidence points to, and frankly I find the mental gymnastics you are trying to perform to deny this victory from the people of that country somewhat disturbing. how is this for a conspiracy theory, what if Israel has cultivated a climate of hyper paranoia in the mid east in an effort to make people see any action as an Israeli plot in order to make the mass populations fear change and stick with their old despotic governments and maintain the status quo? what if you are playing into their hands right now?

[peterv]

a timeline

They cut the net off two days after the beginning of the revolution. How idiots can the Egyptian secret services can be?

EDIT: This is getting personal and i really don't want this. Your conspiracy theory is obviously as possible as mine, 60 years from now we might be able to know which one was right.

[iamzack]

...this is the age of the internet. if there is a conspiracy, we will know within a couple years, tops.

[Bobboau]

awe c'mon zack, that's just what they want you to think.

[iamzack]

pfft

people are morons, no secret that important could stay secret for long these days

[Fearless Leader]

pfft

people are morons, no secret that important could stay secret for long these days

If something is really a secret, a secret like Egypt, it will never get near the internet.

[NGTM-1R]

If something is really a secret, a secret like Egypt, it will never get near the internet.

You vastly underestimate the dependence of government agencies on the internet. If the tinfoil hattery is true, it has already been transmitted across the internet 50 times at minimum, though over short distances.