[LordMelvin]

I see where QD is coming from, since the "bad" feminists get the most attention...

all seven of them

but you needs to realize that not all feminists are like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJMRhs
this feminist for example...

[iamzack]

The only thing more irritating than the feminists that make us look bad is "I'm not a feminist, but..."

[Scotty]

Feminism good.  Sexism bad.  The line blurs when idiots use the term to further their own ends.

[Mars]

Sarah Palin is a feminist, doncha know 

[karajorma]

The really sad thing is when anti-feminists start *****ing about male emasculation by feminists. Like it's feminists' fault not automatically being better than half the population (apparently) damages the male ego. Pfft.

If feminists want equality I have no problem with it. What I have a problem with with is the feminists who seem to think they are better than men.

It has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with them being the same useless wastes of skin that the male chauvinists they argue against are.

[Ravenholme]

The really sad thing is when anti-feminists start *****ing about male emasculation by feminists. Like it's feminists' fault not automatically being better than half the population (apparently) damages the male ego. Pfft.

If feminists want equality I have no problem with it. What I have a problem with with is the feminists who seem to think they are better than men.

It has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with them being the same useless wastes of skin that the male chauvinists they argue against are.

/agree

[iamzack]

The really sad thing is when anti-feminists start *****ing about male emasculation by feminists. Like it's feminists' fault not automatically being better than half the population (apparently) damages the male ego. Pfft.

If feminists want equality I have no problem with it. What I have a problem with with is the feminists who seem to think they are better than men.

It has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with them being the same useless wastes of skin that the male chauvinists they argue against are.

Oh, trust me, I don't like them any more than you do. I'm sick to death of being accused of being one of them.

[karajorma]

Yeah. I can imagine being accused of being a feminazi would sting somewhat. They're all such horrible people.

But there is some legitimacy to certain arguments against even the more mainstream feminists. Divorce for instance is hugely unfair to the male half of the partnership for reasons that are horrifically sexist but it's quite rare to hear a feminist complaining about that kind of sexism.

But if you really want to get rid of sexism then you have to address that sort of thing. The fact that women almost always gain custody (either joint or full) reinforces the stereotype that women are the sex that has to take care of children. Alimony laws reinforce stereotypes about women as golddiggers unable to take care of themselves without a man. Lack of validity to pre-nuptial agreements suggests that women are too dumb to understand the ramifications of a contract. It's all a big sexist mess but I rarely hear anyone having a go at it with quite the same force they go after the relatively smaller issues.

And divorce is just a good example, there are plenty of others.

[Mars]

Marriage in general seems to be a bastion of sexism.

[iamzack]

Divorce favors women in certain cases. Marriage favors men. Problems with custody issues in divorce are being addressed, mainly by the feminist line against automatically assuming women are meant to be mothers. Being a father is good for a male economically, even if he is a single parent. Being a mother harms a women economically, even if she has a stay-at-home husband and isn't the primary caregiver. The stereotypes that all women have a need to be mothers, that women are more nurturing than men, that men are incapable of proper parenthood are harmful to both sexes. Just because the primary goal of most feminists isn't to fix the few disadvantages men have in a patriarchal society doesn't mean they aren't addressed at all. After all, almost all of those disadvantages pretty much disappear once the disadvantages affecting women are gone.