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Offline General Battuta

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No, I wouldn't post a review until having played it.

However, all signs point to this game being a rushed hack job on Bioware's part. Constantly reused assets,
Spoiler:
that **** ending
, the out-and-out lies about their design methodology, the quote from the composer I posted above - these things don't bode well.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Huh, here's something new. Take it with a grain of salt for now, but the source seems reliable...

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EA Fails to Disclose Securom DRM In Dragon Age 2

Those of you who know me, know that I love Dragon Age: Origins and the Dragon Age universe.  You also know that I loathe DRM, especially SecuRom.  You can imagine how dismayed I was when I read a Reclaim Your Game report today revealing that despite not disclosing the fact anywhere on the game packing or even in the 28-page EULA, disc-based copies of Dragon Age II contain the destructive, intrusive DRM known as SecuRom.

While Reclaim Your Game, which acts as a gamer’s consumers’ rights advocacy group campaigning against oppressive DRM had praised EA for excluding SecuROM from Dragon Age: Origins, recent testing of the sequel compelled the site to give it an “Unacceptable” rating due to the inclusion of DRM and, most importantly, EA’s failure to disclose it anywhere to consumers.

In a recent email sent to their subscribers, representatives from RYG wrote:

    “We have CONFIRMED from testing that it DOES contain SecuROM, and that it DOES leave files behind. We can also confirm that nowhere on the package, in the EULA or on the Website for the game is thee ANY mention of the inclusion of SecuROM. EA had been ordered by the courts to disclose the use of SecuROM on any game that uses it. And it is contradictory of what Bioware has been saying for the last 3 weeks.”

In their report, RYG cites multiple areas of concern, including:

    * Inconsistent information about DRM
    * No EULA for SecuROM
    * SecuROM files hidden from user
    * SecuROM files not removed after online activation
    * DRM removal tool not included; SecuROM remains even after user uninstalls game

And these are just some of the concerns noted in their report, which you can read in full as a pdf, here, or read their more detailed analysis (with screenshots), here.

Even though EA and Bioware had explicitly stated before the fact that SecuROM would not be included in the non-steam versions of Dragon Age II, and simply be there to verify the game wasn’t played ahead of release day (and would not install anything on your computer), RYG’s tests show otherwise.

 

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I'm 2/3rds trough the game (and get this, I got it from a friend, who just told me to keep it and his account. He thinks it's that bad).

Honest oppinion?

It's not that bad. As an console action game it's OK.

As a PC RPG? Mediocre.


So the 1 scores on Metacritic are definately too harsh.

I'd give it a 6 out of 10.

Decent story, good characters, delivery and gamplay suck. UI is horrible.
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Offline Dark RevenantX

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I think I'll just torrent this and say that I'm playing a visual novel when anyone asks about it.

That's all this game is, a visual novel.  That's the only logical explanation, right?



Right?

 

Offline The E

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Errr.

No.

It really isn't.

Visual novel, to me, means a locked-down experience, JRPG-style. Dragon Age 2 is anything but, since it gives you a lot of choices how the story proceeds.

Also? You are now the owner of an official warning. We really do not recommend that people incriminate themselves here.
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Offline Fury

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Been playing DA2 last six hours. It is quite enjoyable, not a bad game at all. Different from DA:O sure, but not bad.

If you have a video card with 1GB VRAM or more, get the hi-res textures pack.
http://social.bioware.com/page/da2-patches

 

Offline General Battuta

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Been playing DA2 last six hours. It is quite enjoyable, not a bad game at all. Different from DA:O sure, but not bad.

If you have a video card with 1GB VRAM or more, get the hi-res textures pack.
http://social.bioware.com/page/da2-patches

How are the spiders

 

Offline mxlm

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Huh, here's something new. Take it with a grain of salt for now, but the source seems reliable...

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Sorry, but there is some confusion on this. We use Sony Release Control which shares some functionality with other Sony products (SecuROM), but once the Sony Release Control check is passed, Release Control self-destructs, removing the Release Control wrapper and it is never used again. Game updates will not use Release Control because obviously the release date is passed.
I will ask that you explain yourself. Please do so with the clear understanding that I may decide I am angry enough to destroy all of you and raze this sickening mausoleum of fraud down to the naked rock it stands on.

 

Offline General Battuta

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That is good to hear.

 

Offline Dark RevenantX

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Errr.

No.

It really isn't.

Visual novel, to me, means a locked-down experience, JRPG-style. Dragon Age 2 is anything but, since it gives you a lot of choices how the story proceeds.

Also? You are now the owner of an official warning. We really do not recommend that people incriminate themselves here.

I never said I actually would/have torrent(ed) it, rather than I was thinking about it.  Besides, even if I buy it, I'd eventually end up torrenting it to get rid of potential DRM.

Also, some visual novels have multiple paths and story arcs, some even with integrated and important gameplay segments (Sengoku Rance for an entertaining example), which sometimes are completely different than the others.  Considering that DA2 has a forgettable gameplay experience, the only reason to buy it is for the story.

 

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The thing that worries me more is that apparently a user who got banned from the Bioware forums for 72 hours also got his ability to register his new game removed for the same amount of times. Apparently, according to a post by a Bioware mod, EA bans can not only effect your Forum access, but can also deny you the right to play or register any of their games whilst it is in force. The Mod also suggested they use it as an added incentive to 'obey the rules' of the Forum....

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/11/forumite-gets-dragon-age-2-ban-after-asking-bioware-if-they-had-sold-their-souls-to-the-ea-devil/

 

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Wow, well here’s a crazy update. After being repeatedly told that he was intentionally locked out of his EA games because he broke the rules on the BioWare forum, and that this was in accordance to the Terms Of Service that he’d agreed to, this morning’s internet famous man, Arno, has just been told that it was in fact a mistake.

He received an email from EA’s Senior Director of Customer Support, Boyd Beasley, explaining that his “inappropriate language” meant he had received a 72 hour ban from the BioWare Social Network, but that,

    “Unfortunately, there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended your entire EA account. Immediately upon learning of the glitch, we have restored the entire account and apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused while accessing other areas of the EA service.”

Unconvinced I believe them, but bureaucratic **** ups aren't exactly unknown.
I will ask that you explain yourself. Please do so with the clear understanding that I may decide I am angry enough to destroy all of you and raze this sickening mausoleum of fraud down to the naked rock it stands on.

 

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They realized that they went overboard and, in a poor attempt to save face, rescinded their ban.
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Offline Ransom

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And never post on the Bioware Social forums, they're one of the most terrifying places on the Internet.

but don't you want to know what tali's sweat smells like

The second problem is that so far, no overarching plot has materialized. Where DA:O had a clear goal, and a clear antagonist for you to defeat, my current goal in DA2 is to get a job. Which, as far as motivations go, is certainly enough to get Joe average going in the morning, but is sort of not very epic, if you know what I mean. Yes, there certainly are signs of something brewing in the distance; but honestly? If a hero's worth is measured by his or her opponents, then Hawke is worth about 50 Sovereigns, at this point.

I'm at about the same point you are. To be honest I'm enjoying the modest practicalities of DA2's early chapters more than I did any of Origins' grandness, which just struck me as epic for epic's sake - I was never given any reason to invest emotionally in all that Blight nonsense so my City Elf's origin story ended up being more compelling than absolutely anything that happened later.

Plenty of room yet for BioWare to BioWare it up, though.

I'm pretty sure this will cost me some credibility but so far I think I like this. I'm not sure that it's good, but I like it. The gameplay's shallow, most of the dialogue is on the same technical level as a high schooler's fantasy dabblings, it's clearly been rushed, but it's fiddling with some fun narrative ideas and I, well, I like Hawke. I like that a protagonist in a fantasy RPG actually feels grounded in the world. There's also a nice emotional drive to the writing that Origins lacked, which at least partially makes up for its fumbling execution and teenaged preoccupations.

(I'm also finding the simplified gameplay more fun please don't hurt me)

 

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hrmph

maybe when it's on steam sale

 

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I'm at about the same point you are. To be honest I'm enjoying the modest practicalities of DA2's early chapters more than I did any of Origins' grandness, which just struck me as epic for epic's sake - I was never given any reason to invest emotionally in all that Blight nonsense so my City Elf's origin story ended up being more compelling than absolutely anything that happened later.

Plenty of room yet for BioWare to BioWare it up, though.

Now that I am a bit farther in, and have acclimatized to DA2's story, I do like it as well. It's just totally different from what was expected.

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I'm pretty sure this will cost me some credibility but so far I think I like this. I'm not sure that it's good, but I like it. The gameplay's shallow, most of the dialogue is on the same technical level as a high schooler's fantasy dabblings, it's clearly been rushed, but it's fiddling with some fun narrative ideas and I, well, I like Hawke. I like that a protagonist in a fantasy RPG actually feels grounded in the world. There's also a nice emotional drive to the writing that Origins lacked, which at least partially makes up for its fumbling execution and teenaged preoccupations.

(I'm also finding the simplified gameplay more fun please don't hurt me)

Agreed on all points.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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(I'm also finding the simplified gameplay more fun please don't hurt me)

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Offline Ransom

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ngtm-1r have i ever told you that you can be quite mysterious

Now that I am a bit farther in, and have acclimatized to DA2's story, I do like it as well. It's just totally different from what was expected.

It's definitely not the sort of story I would've expected from BioWare, no. I mean that in a good way, but still - it feels almost like a Euro RPG impression of a BioWare game. Very odd.

Actually, if I imagine the dialogue is just the result of a janky translation that almost works.

 

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Latest polls on Bioware forums and user reviews on the internet show just how utterly polarized this is.

Compared to polls from Origins (after it's release), DA2 is doing FAR worse.


Here's my longer review of it:

Where to even begin?


Now, to start off, DA2 is a decent game. But that's just it – barely decent. Nothing more. So let me comment on the good and bad things. I'll try to keep this short, so I'm brining up the most importnat stuff only.

Another note - atmosphere is utterly important for me.


BAD:

- Animations for the player are way faster than for the enemies. If the enemies attacked as fast then the player would be dead before he could react. But since they are so slow, the only way to offer a challenge is to have enemies with mountains of HP's or throw hordes of lesser ones at the player. A completely flawed approach. It's a party based game, so slow combat served a purpose - give the player time to react to what's going on the battlefield, while keeping enemies dangerous. Fast-pace and party combat don’t mix well.

 

- the whole enemy leveling and difficulty system. It just feel lifeless and artificial. AND THE DAMN ENEMY
WAVES. Worst thing added. EVER. It's just utterly boring and ridiculous. Hawke killed more enemies in just the first chapter than the Warden did in whole of DA:O. It just feels like padding that doubles the length of fights.

 
- oversized weapons.
They look horrible. Some weapons cannot even be held by characters, since the handle is thicker than their arms! And the design of some is downright silly.

 
- Multiple lore defilments.
EXAMPLE: We know from DA:O that when a mage enters the fade physicly, death in the fade is fatal. Then the Keeper tells us that killing in the fade makes one effectively tranquil. And yet if you kill a companion in the fade, they are perfectly fine after that.


- low weapon/item selection early in the game. I had to play the entire first part with a maul (and I hate mauls) because there wasn't a better weapon available. Weapon scaling doesn't work well.

 
- Inventory icons suck. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. They are all the same! Humans are visual creatures. It's faster to ID something by the icon than to read the items name. There's a reason why people loved the icon mod for DA:O

- no equipping party members. I understand limiting the equipment to what would realyl be usefull (like only medium/heavy armor on your warrior), but removing it completely????
 
- the skill tree is a hit-and-miss. Half of the upgrades shouldn't even be upgrades, but should come standard.
EXAMPLE: Why does one have to upgrade Mighty Blow to give extra damage to brittle enemies? It's a full-force swing with a giant metal object - exactly how do you "upgrade" that? Exactly why doesn't it do extra damage to brittle things to beign with?

 
- the whole attribute and item restriction system. Constantly dumping attribute points for insignificant gains is boring. And escalating attribute requirements for items suck. I yearn to make a strong character to start with…but that is impossible in this game.

 
- the game makes it hard to play a templar-supporter, as it pits you constantly against them. I'm not talking about side-quests either. The main quest forces you to kill templars (Anders quest), and with the game making demons and abominations into wusses (and thus not a credible threat), and templars into incompetents (given that you can have a party full of mages blasting away in front of templars and they can't figure you out) - it's no wonder people don't like em!

 
- repeats and re-uses of entire areas. Generally bland and lifeless outside areas.

- conversation wheel. It's badly implemented. The intention icons are good, but the short snippets still give the wrong impression..an you still have only 3 responses. Always only the same 3 responses! That is unacceptable.


-Removal of synergies between same classes (like mage-mage). Oh, I have nothing against inter-class combos, but why can’t two fighters have a combo too?

 

GOOD:

- companions having homes and the life of their own.

- passage of time. Too bad Kirkwall changes too little visually over the years.

- having a family is cool. Story-wise, it's like playing a more fleshed-out Origin story from DA:O.

- some witty banter.

 


LONG STORY SHORT:

Interesting setting, interesting premise, good writing - gameplay and delivery are mediocre.
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Offline BrotherBryon

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I'm enjoying the game so far but I do have one gripe that seems to have carried over from DAO. That is the damn camera getting stuck looking  top down at the selected character with the only way of fixing is to save and restart the game. It's really annoying only being able to see up to a couple of feet around your character, would it have been so hard to add a camera reset button or something to fix glitches like this.
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