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Offline MP-Ryan

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The American Dre... errr, nightmare
While I don't always agree with columnist Jeffrey Simpson, he offers a pretty clear take on the current fiscal situation in the United States.

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Our southern friends are living the American dream these days, a dream that’s removing them from reality. Their federal legislators, including the President, are imagining a brilliant future that cannot be. None of them, it would appear, wants to awaken Americans from this dream.

The dream? Economic recovery followed by the return of prosperity, built on borrowed money. And not just some borrowed money, but trillions and trillions of borrowed money.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/wake-up-americans-your-economic-dream-is-a-nightmare/article1913689/

Please ensure you've read the entire article before commenting.  (While I know this is a foolish pipe dream of mine, a guy can hope).
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Re: The American Dre... errr, nightmare
Not that I'm particularly interested in living through it, but another Great Depression is probably what this country needs.  As a nation it is my opinion that we have gotten fat, lazy and entitled and a massive slap would be required to return us to level course.  It'll suck, sure as sure but a wakeup call on how to live within your means would be for the best in the end.
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America probably isn't the only country living in denial of the real world finance and resource situations though. It's always worrying to see a dream turned into an illusion though.

 

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America probably isn't the only country living in denial of the real world finance and resource situations though. It's always worrying to see a dream turned into an illusion though.

True.

The current debt in this country is about 76 billion €. We have population of about 5,5 million people. So even though the economic situation is declared to be better here, we still owe the government about 14000 € / capita. So that indeed makes you think.
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Not that I'm particularly interested in living through it, but another Great Depression is probably what this country needs.
But if I recall correctly, the only thing that got us back out of the Great Depression was WWII.  And I don't particularly want to experience WWIII either.
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not the only thing, no.  it helped, but it would have happened anyway.
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America probably isn't the only country living in denial of the real world finance and resource situations though. It's always worrying to see a dream turned into an illusion though.

i myself perfer the term delusion
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/13/us-usa-budget-obama-idUSTRE71B1QU20110213?pageNumber=1

Even Obama wants to reduce the deficit from 9 to 3% of GDP.

inb4 HURR DURR it won't work.

 

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Re: The American Dre... errr, nightmare
670 billion is defense? 670 BILLION? Jesus, what do you need all that for? WW3 hasnt started yet. After reading the article I immediately thought two things, first this reminded me of Greece and the absurdity that took place there, second if this keeps up I think the US would actually devolve to a 3rd world country.

 

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not the only thing, no.  it helped, but it would have happened anyway.

Not totally true. Yes, it would have happened, but it would have happened over the course of twenty years, if that.
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Re: The American Dre... errr, nightmare
Look at the deficits the US government ran during World War II (far, FAR larger than the current one). Or the one the Japanese government ran up that finally ended the Lost Decade. Deficit spending has a very extensive track record of success during depressions. The hope is that this recession will force Keynesian economics back in vogue, which also will bring the return of policies (that have nothing to do with deficit spending - Keynesian economics is about much, much more than that) that will improve the soundness of the economy in general (like capital controls, regulated currencies, and much stronger restrictions on the "shadow economy", ie, speculaton).

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Not that I'm particularly interested in living through it, but another Great Depression is probably what this country needs.  As a nation it is my opinion that we have gotten fat, lazy and entitled and a massive slap would be required to return us to level course.  It'll suck, sure as sure but a wakeup call on how to live within your means would be for the best in the end.
I'm so glad such an impartial individual has appointed himself the judge and jury of every American. Truly we should abide by your carefully measured and wholly un-egotistical opinions. Also, in case you haven't noticed, this shift away from borrowing by consumers is already well along. The worry is that the economy isn't sound enough to thrive without the short-term artificial spending power created by consumer borrowing. And that isn't consumers' fault - that can be laid on the doorstep of Neoliberal economics.
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Re: The American Dre... errr, nightmare
670 billion is defense? 670 BILLION? Jesus, what do you need all that for? WW3 hasnt started yet. After reading the article I immediately thought two things, first this reminded me of Greece and the absurdity that took place there, second if this keeps up I think the US would actually devolve to a 3rd world country.

its not as bad as what gets spent on entitlements.

if they would just legalize marijuana, they could draw tax income to help fill in a small chunck of the hole. one less sector for law enforcement to throw money at, one taxable market (were talking the largest cash crop in america here) with an already huge customer base.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 02:24:46 am by Nuke »
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Which is...?

 

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the US would actually devolve to a 3rd world country.
The people driving it there don't care. They'll be perfectly comfortable in their gated and well guarded communities.

  

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Which is...?

some graph i saw on tv like a week ago, they probibly sourced it from an equally sketchy and unconfirmed source.

sourcing is intellectual wankery, i will not be part of it! :D
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Most of the first world is up to this sort of stuff.
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then we should nuke them
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Which is...?

some graph i saw on tv like a week ago, they probibly sourced it from an equally sketchy and unconfirmed source.

sourcing is intellectual wankery, i will not be part of it! :D

Sourcing benefits you as well as me. :) Laziness is no excuse.

 

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Worse, just before Christmas, Congress and the President forged a deal that continued the fiscally ruinous tax cuts of George W. Bush, the ones so tilted toward the already wealthy, and pumped even more discretionary spending into the U.S. economy.
This... is ****ed up. Why is it still happening?

 

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Worse, just before Christmas, Congress and the President forged a deal that continued the fiscally ruinous tax cuts of George W. Bush, the ones so tilted toward the already wealthy, and pumped even more discretionary spending into the U.S. economy.
This... is ****ed up. Why is it still happening?

And this is why we need sourcing. Where is that quote from, Pred? What proof did they/you give/have?

Sourcing is important folks. :)