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Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Hiya everyone. I've just started playing Freespace 2 having downloaded it from Good Old Games, I don't know what version it is.

It installed fine and it's playable but I was wondering about one or two things.

Is it possible to change the resolution? Models look ok but the HUD looks kinda low res, I don't know if it's possible to change that.

Is it possible to change the movie refresh rate? The game seems to play at the same refresh rate as Windows but the movies default to 60Hz. Not a biggie but it would be nice if I could change it.

Communications windows; I don't know if it's supposed to look like this but when characters appear in the comms window they appear green like the HUD. Is it supposed to be a coloured image? I remember playing Wind Commander 3 and 4 which I think are from this time and they looked much better.

Screen brightness; I've set the screen brightness in the options all they way to five but it makes no difference and the screen still appears quite dark. Is there some other way to raise it?

Joystick throttle; Is there a way to use my joystick's throttle?

Anti Antialiasing; Is there a way to add AA without the graphics appearing distorted or some other way to increase sharpness of the models?

Many thanks.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
You will want to install FreeSpace Open.

Grab it here. Not mandatory, but it will fix a number of bugs and bring the graphics up to near-2010 standards. However the comm ANIs will still be colorless, I believe this was an intentional stylistic choice.

For an example of what you're missing:


 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Ah - and you'll need to force AA driverside with a tool like ATI TrayTools or Catalyst Control Center (or the Nvidia equivalent.)

 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Is it possible to change the resolution? Models look ok but the HUD looks kinda low res, I don't know if it's possible to change that.

Install 3.6.12 Final and it's Launcher from HERE
Recommended: Get the INF SSE or SSE2 builds.

Is it possible to change the movie refresh rate? The game seems to play at the same refresh rate as Windows but the movies default to 60Hz. Not a biggie but it would be nice if I could change it.

A lot of things will default to 60hz. The engine has an upper coded limit of 120 (unless you're a coder/know a few tricks)
You can disable the Refresh lock in you Video card options, as well as disable VSync in the Launcher. Mileage may vary.

Communications windows; I don't know if it's supposed to look like this but when characters appear in the comms window they appear green like the HUD. Is it supposed to be a coloured image? I remember playing Wind Commander 3 and 4 which I think are from this time and they looked much better.

Depending on the mod you are playing, that might change. For FreeSpace 2 however, the Head ANI's are whatever color you set in your Options->HUD choices.

Screen brightness; I've set the screen brightness in the options all they way to five but it makes no difference and the screen still appears quite dark. Is there some other way to raise it?

The Launcher has an option to not Set Gamma as well as additional comm line options that can be used to adjust things. You may also have a driver overlay setting somewhere that may be causing a conflict.

Joystick throttle; Is there a way to use my joystick's throttle?

It should be a bind-able Axis, even under Retail. If not, using an FSO Exec will allow you to Bind the Throttle Axis in your options, just click on it, click BIND and then move the Throttle axis. (I Use a Saitek X52-Pro, so yes, it works)

Anti Antialiasing; Is there a way to add AA without the graphics appearing distorted or some other way to increase sharpness of the models?

The Launcher (for windows) has an option for setting AA, but at this current moment, it does nothing in Windows. You will need to set it Driver Side or using a driver profile tool to set it. Be aware that Post Processing and Anti-Aliasing don't particularly mix well in all cases.
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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Is it possible to change the resolution? Models look ok but the HUD looks kinda low res, I don't know if it's possible to change that.
FS2 supports 640x480 and 1024x768. FSO supports those and pretty much anything above.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
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18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

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11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Communications windows; I don't know if it's supposed to look like this but when characters appear in the comms window they appear green like the HUD. Is it supposed to be a coloured image?
Yes.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Screen brightness; I've set the screen brightness in the options all they way to five but it makes no difference and the screen still appears quite dark. Is there some other way to raise it?
The gamma setting?
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Anti Antialiasing; Is there a way to add AA without the graphics appearing distorted or some other way to increase sharpness of the models?
FSO.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 
Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Thanks everyone. I'm keen to install the Freespace Open mod the General linked, it looks amazing but I'm a bit confused. Zacam, what are you talking about when you say to install 3.6.12? Is that the official patch or are you referring to a patch for the Open mod? What do I install first?

And is that mod the same as The Source Code Project? http://scp.indiegames.us/bnr_installer.php

Sorry to be a total noob but I'm a bit confused.

I hadn't noticed there was a launcher. It didn't start when I started the game. I've got my joystick sorted now so thanks for that.

 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
*** MatthTheGeek facepalms at Jeff Vader's quadruple post ***

3.6.12 is the current version of the FreeSpace Open (FSO) engine, aka the .exe file. The same version number is used for the Media VPs (MVPs), which are the visual enhancements provided by the FreeSpace Upgrade (FSU) team, and which are a mod. Despite the identical version number, those are two separate things.

You need to install FSO 3.6.12 first, and be sure to select the .exe in the launcher - more info here and make sure to follow the instructions to the letter, they are very explicit and detailed. You'll always want to have the more recent version of the engine, stable, or nightly if you feel adventurous.

Then, preferably after you made sure the former step has been successfully completed, you can download the MVPs 3.6.12 here, and select them as a mod in your launcher.

Keep in mind that the MVPs are optional to play Freespace 2, although they are required to play most of the user-made mods and campaigns around there. Most modern hardwares can run the MVPs very smoothly, but lower rigs like netbooks or old laptops with integrated graphics will have severe issues. If that's your case, don't force, and play with retail assets (select No Mods in the launcher).
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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
These guys are successfully making all this incredibly complicated. The thing I linked you will install FreeSpace Open 3.6.12, the 3.6.12 MediaVPs asset packs, and a bunch of mods. FreeSpace Open is developed by the Source Code Project.

 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Oh come on, installer is for teh weak. Real men do it the real way :p
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666maslo666: Releasing a finished product is not a good thing! It is a modern fad.

SpardaSon21: it seems like you exist in a permanent state of half-joking misanthropy

Axem: when you put it like that, i sound like an insane person

bigchunk1: it's not retarded it's american!
bigchunk1: ...

batwota: steele's maneuvering for the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: you mispelled grâce
Awaesaar: grace
batwota: oh right :P
Darius: ah!
Darius: yes, i like that
MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
Awaesaar: +accent I forgot how to keyboard
MatthTheGeek: or grease
Darius: the killing fat!
Axem: jabba does the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: XD
Axem: bring me solo and a cookie

 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
60 Hz is the refresh rate of general tfts.. unless you have a crt monitor, putting fps rates above 60 will only make you feel better in your ego, there's no actual big difference being delivered to your eyes at all.

 

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Oh come on, installer is for teh weak. Real men do it the real way :p
Actually I think the Installer is getting manlier. Considering every week there is a new thing that isn't working in it.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 
Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
I'm not having much luck. I used the installer the General linked to, ran it, entered my game directory and selected Freespace Open 3.6.10 with MediaVPs: The mimimum, plus shiny graphical updates. (all I really want is the graphics updates.

It gives me the message "A section specified in the install config could not be found. (Freespace OPen 3.6.10 Windows Executables."

So I tried selecting the Absolutely everything option and it worked and started downloading... but it didn't STOP downloading. It just went on and on, one file after another. I only have a data allowance of 5gigs a month and if I go over I get penalized so I was forced to quit.

I think I'll just play it as it is but I wanted to say thanks to everyone.

I'm still having trouble with the brightness. My game's quite dark and the brightness option does nothing. I don't know what you meant Zacam when you said the launcher has an option to not set gamma. I can't find anything like that. I found the command line in the Misc tab but have no idea what to put there.

 
Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
60 Hz is the refresh rate of general tfts.. unless you have a crt monitor, putting fps rates above 60 will only make you feel better in your ego, there's no actual big difference being delivered to your eyes at all.

I do have  a crt monitor (I know... retro). At 60hz the side of the image are severely bowed. Not a biggie though.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
It gives me the message "A section specified in the install config could not be found. (Freespace OPen 3.6.10 Windows Executables."
It probably worked ok. It just failed to download the 3.6.10 executables, which shouldn't matter since you're supposed to use the newer 3.6.12 executables.

So I tried selecting the Absolutely everything option and it worked and started downloading... but it didn't STOP downloading. It just went on and on, one file after another. I only have a data allowance of 5gigs a month and if I go over I get penalized so I was forced to quit.
Yeah, that would be "everything". It includes this huge pile of user-made campaigns. Some of which contain hefty amounts of textures, models, sounds and so forth. The MediaVPs in their highly compressed downloadable form are roughly 0.5GB if I recall correctly, the FSO exes are a couple dozen MB and the Launcher is insignificantly small.
And this is why some people around here recommend the manual way. You have complete control over what you're downloading.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 
Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Cheers Vader.

 
Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Do you guys use a lot of other mods when you play? What would make it more fun for me is a high res HUD and a mod that stopped your ship from bouncing around when you're trying to aim. I suppose it's a realistic flight model but it drives me nuts.

What I mean by bouncing is when you move the stick in one direction then stop, the ship keeps moving in that direction for a bit due to momentum. So realistic but I find it extremely hard to keep my sight on the target. Are there any mods that address that? Or is it just a peculiarity of the Mermadon?
« Last Edit: February 25, 2011, 02:34:09 am by Phil5000 »

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Just started Freespace 2, a few minor technical questions.
Wouldn't know, I always use my mouse to frag my shivans ;)