[Unknown Target]

I don't know how to write my reasoning in it's entirety; there is simply too much thought behind this to adequately transcribe it all within any reasonable time frame. I know that I have difficulty in explaining it without first being asked a question.

I find myself at a crossroads of my own morality; I cannot describe it in any other way. I know who I am, yet I am faced with forces that would wish me to reject fundamental tenants of my being. I value myself as I value others; to lose myself would be to lose a faith in humanity that I swore never to let go of.

I trust people. I trust the ideals that gave life to this nation. I love those ideals. I will only act to protect that which I love, and I feel that for this species to survive, it must be able to look at itself and say that it is worth it. If we are to say that we, as whatever you choose to label yourself - as an individual, as a state, a nation, a species, a mindset, or none of the above, if we are to say that we are worth continuing, then we have to first be wiling to look within ourselves, and decide whether or not that is fact or folly. In my mind, if it is not done right, then it is not worth doing.

With these and other thoughts in mind,  I will be doing all that I can, which is all that I have left. I am leaving my home to camp in protest on the streets of Rochester, N.Y. I don't know where I will be camping, only that I will be doing so with a sign in front of my tent. "Let go of our country."

I am not sure of any of the specifics. I must first attend to several matters before I set up. I invite anyone willing to join me. I have a spare tent for the first person who wishes to lay next to me in the streets.

With all the best wishes I have,
Jordan Pelovitz

[Snail]

Looks like someone's having an existential crisis.



Err, I mean good luck with this and all your future endeavours. It's great that you can make a difference in this world of ours.

[StarSlayer]

UT's title just got a new meaning 

[General Battuta]

Can I have your house?

[StarSlayer]

In all seriousness if your really willing to go live on the street like a hobo with a placard, it would be a little more useful if you instead became involved in politics and tried to actually implement change.  Like him or not Senator McCain made a pretty good point during the 2008 National Convention when he argued that no matter if you are conservative or liberal if your not pleased with government you should get active in it. 

[Unknown Target]

Can I have your house?

My specific address? Why?

I have been thinking and I'm going to set a date for this, a little closer to spring. I just walked/cycled for several miles in the worst blizzard so far this year to get the tents and a few other items. I'm willing to go out again, but in all honesty I don't know if I'd be able to survive if I stuck to it.

Further updates as events warrant.

[General Battuta]

Well I figured if you weren't using it, I could maybe spin off my own meth lab to somewhere else, kind of a franchise deal

(please don't die of exposure)

[JCDNWarrior]

"These are the times that try men's souls". Try to get through it, UT. Prepare yourself, dig in, and try to see where the story of this world is going, even if it would go the wrong way.

It's a long fight against forces of evil, and it's very logical to protest what's happening. It's strange why not more Americans -are- protesting what's going on, or are even aware.

I hope you'll be alright. What protests need are critical mass, and.. if need be, the ability to protect yourself if the riot cops would try to forcibly remove you.

Also if you want to mention 2008, then MCCain is not one to go looking for good points, but a certain Ron Paul, outside of any affiliation.

[Snail]

What's happening in America?

[General Battuta]

A (recovering recession) and a lot of deficit spending, comparable to that in World War II. People are probably more panicked than necessary, but it would be nice to get some movement on infrastructure overhaul.

People flounce about how everything is super partisan but the parties are probably more cooperative than they were pre-WWI.

[StarSlayer]

Also if you want to mention 2008, then MCCain is not one to go looking for good points, but a certain Ron Paul, outside of any affiliation.

I watched both conventions as a matter of course, and it was one of the more memorable bits from the RNC besides introducing the crazy woman.  The point is valid though, if your pissed off enough to go camp out in the town square till you get picked up by the cops for squatting or dragged to the hospital by EMTs because you've got exposure, actually doing something productive by getting involved would be more useful.

[NGTM-1R]

This is a profoundly stupid and pointless idea.

[Nuke]

Can I have your house?

My specific address? Why?

I have been thinking and I'm going to set a date for this, a little closer to spring. I just walked/cycled for several miles in the worst blizzard so far this year to get the tents and a few other items. I'm willing to go out again, but in all honesty I don't know if I'd be able to survive if I stuck to it.

Further updates as events warrant.

you think thats tough, try this:

youre in the alaskan bush
its 2.a.m
its spring when all the bears come out of hibernation and are very hungry
you have to take a dump
the only working toilet is an outhouse 1000 yards away through the woods
your flashlight is dead
your guns and ammo are in another building 1200 yards in the opposite direction
and you had my chili as your last meal

now thats tough

but seriously my philosophy on change has always been that anything that can change can be changed back, so why bother. i just know that if things go tits up, i know that i can go live in the woods, and kill things to survive.

[Scourge of Ages]

(please don't die of exposure)

Seconded. If you feel this is the only way to go, power to you. Stay safe.

[Black Wolf]

This is a profoundly stupid and pointless idea.

You aren't going to change anything this way. You'll be lost in a sea of actual homeless people. If you're pissed off about something, get active politrically in some kind of meaningful way. Join a group, or start a group. One man on the street can and will be ignired. It takes hundreds, thousands of voices to make change happen.

And, for the record, I know there are times when one man can change the world, but I guarantee you, people see a guy camping on the streets with a sign they won't think "That man is an American Ghandi" they'll think "That man is an alcoholic nutbag". The only change you'll get will be spare.

[achtung]

I really do not want to sound like an ass, but this will do nothing but make your life harder while creating the illusion you did something. It will likely not touch anyone in any way.

This thread is trying to sell me tents.

[Bobboau]

this could effect change if a bunch of people did it. you would need at least 40 at an absolute minimum.

If I didn't live in St.Louis I might join you simply because I like camping and causing trouble, but as it is I have no means to. however, you are not making clear who it is you want to let go of your country. I would assume the Republicans, however this strategy has a fairly teapartyesque ring to it, so maybe you'd want the democrats to let go, though if it was me making that statement I would be saying it to both.

To me morality is based on instinct, we have very strong innate desires, and when we are prevented from acting on them we feel restrained, this feeling is it's self an instinct and thus a source of morality. freedom is the state the I believe all humans strive for, the ability to do whatever it is you want, even if in a practical seance this is not completely attainable due to the conflicting desires that many people may have, it should be possible to get asymptotically close to a state when an overall state of maximum freedom is achieved. and because freedom is described as a state where you can do what you want then this should be a state of maximum happiness.

[watsisname]

Rad idea bro, I'll come up and bum with ya
bum with ya til the end brah
even when the savings are gone
even when the booze runs dry
well share our booze
make sure yours dont run dry
gonna have to rob ya
maybe a little knife in the back
just a little bit

[Dilmah G]

This is a profoundly stupid and pointless idea.

You aren't going to change anything this way. You'll be lost in a sea of actual homeless people. If you're pissed off about something, get active politrically in some kind of meaningful way. Join a group, or start a group. One man on the street can and will be ignired. It takes hundreds, thousands of voices to make change happen.

And, for the record, I know there are times when one man can change the world, but I guarantee you, people see a guy camping on the streets with a sign they won't think "That man is an American Ghandi" they'll think "That man is an alcoholic nutbag". The only change you'll get will be spare.

I agree. If you want to make a change, camping out with a placard isn't going to do much. Talking to people and getting vocal on the other hand, will.

[redsniper]

Jules: Basically I'm just going to walk the earth.
Vincent: What do you mean "walk the earth"!
Jules: You know... like Kane in Kung fu: walk from place to place, meet people, get in adventures.
Vincent: How long do you intend to walk the earth?
Jules: Till God puts me where He wants me to be.
Vincent: And what if He don't do that?
Jules: If it takes forever then I'll walk forever.
Vincent: So you decided to be a bum? [...] Just like all those pieces of **** out there who beg for change, you sleep in garbage bins, eat what I throw away... They got a name for that Jules, it's called a bum. And without a job, a residence, that's what you're gonna be. You're gonna be a ****ing bum.

I know that feel bro. Your heart's in the right place, but this is not the most effective course of action.