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Combat Helicopter Sims
Does anyone know of any good ones? I've already heard of, but not yet purchased, DCS: Black Shark. I've got my good friend Comanche Gold, which does not run on Windows 7, and I can't get at my copy of Comanche 4, assuming I still have it somewhere. I also know about the x vs. Apache/Comanche bunch, but I don't remember if I have them around somewhere, and newer is better.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
ArmA II has a built-in helicopter sim (although not a very realistic one, about on the level of Commanche 4).
Other than that, I don't know about any.

 

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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
Does anyone know of any good ones? I've already heard of, but not yet purchased, DCS: Black Shark. I've got my good friend Comanche Gold, which does not run on Windows 7, and I can't get at my copy of Comanche 4, assuming I still have it somewhere. I also know about the x vs. Apache/Comanche bunch, but I don't remember if I have them around somewhere, and newer is better.

Commanche Gold.. ahh, that was a great game.

There is Gunship, but it's OLD. (and of course, Apache vs Havoc, as you've mentioned)

Other than that, I can't think of many.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
I should also mention I know the new Ace Combat is going to have chopper sections.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
I should also mention I know the new Ace Combat is going to have chopper sections.

And Ace Combat is a sim? News to me.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
Arcade games included then, the Comanche games are more arcade anyway.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
Arcade games included then, the Comanche games are more arcade anyway.

Well, the latter ones, but Commanche Gold was a sim (If it's the same one I'm thinking of), maybe not the most utterly complex one, but still sim rather than Arcade.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims

There once was a game called Gunship,
it's claim to fame was the Apache,
somewhat old but should still be a trip,
and probably newer than Comanche.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
I vaguely remember one which included the ability to fly the Eurocopter Tiger, the Apache and a bunch of other Helis. Must've been around the year 2000-ish it came out, but I'll be damned if I can remember it's name.
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Aero Elite Combat Academy for the PS2 had combat helicopters.

 

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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
and there's Apache air assault on ps3 and xbox.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
and there's Apache air assault on ps3 and xbox.
I tried the demo. Didn't enjoy it much on the first go, may try again.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
You might check Abandonia.com - I believe they've got Hind on register over there.

If you're looking for realism, you might also check out X-Plane, though your combat opportunities will be limited. I love flight sims, but I'm a figher man, not a chopper guy.

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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
i wanted to get dcs blackshark, but that dream was easily shattered when i found out that the game used starforce.

the hind d is one of my all time favorite choppers, id love to see a sim built around that. considering the hind was capable of being used as a troop transport, i would like such games to show that aspect in their gameplay. such as landing troops, providing cas, and then dusting off the soldiers at the end of the mission.
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i wanted to get dcs blackshark, but that dream was easily shattered when i found out that the game used starforce.
Yeah, that's what blew it for me as well.
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Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
i wanted to get dcs blackshark, but that dream was easily shattered when i found out that the game used starforce.

the hind d is one of my all time favorite choppers, id love to see a sim built around that. considering the hind was capable of being used as a troop transport, i would like such games to show that aspect in their gameplay. such as landing troops, providing cas, and then dusting off the soldiers at the end of the mission.
Hind 95 was an absolute beast of a sim back in the day and featured this kind of stuff, from memory.

 
Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
I can still play Hind on XP using a Glide wrapper, I think it was this one: http://www.zeckensack.de/glide/

i wanted to get dcs blackshark, but that dream was easily shattered when i found out that the game used starforce.

the hind d is one of my all time favorite choppers, id love to see a sim built around that. considering the hind was capable of being used as a troop transport, i would like such games to show that aspect in their gameplay. such as landing troops, providing cas, and then dusting off the soldiers at the end of the mission.

The Enemy Engaged series (Apache vs. Havoc and Comanche vs. Hokum) has been upgraded/modded by the EECH Central community, allowing you to fly not just the choppers in those titles, but also the Mi24V (in fact, some of the development team behind Hind and Apache Longbow worked on this series too). You can actually fly troop insertion missions with it. They are also working on the AH-1Z Viper. I recently updated my install and tried it out; at the moment it uses the default Apache cockpit but someone is building a new one for it (see here). I'm guessing that it uses the Apache's flight model, I could be wrong, although they will probably change that in the future if that's the case. Some other things that are being worked on are the textures, effects and models; here're some examples:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3192502/Remake_models_cockpits_effects.html#Post3192502
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3229868/Viper_Cobra_and_Kiowa_reskins_.html#Post3229868

EECH Central's site: http://www.eechcentral.com/

It's also possible to fly just about any other chopper in the game, although again, the flight models might not be too realistic for those, and they use the default Apache cockpit. It can be a bit buggy, as in crash to desktop buggy when selecting certain targeting systems that the chopper you're flying doesn't actually have - at least I think that's the problem.

When they were released, both titles were generally regarded as being more 'arcade' in nature rather than proper 'sims', but I thought they were complex enough to be counted as sims. However, the modded version attempts to bring it up to par (or nearly so) with Jane's Longbow 2 which was generally seen as a benchmark sim at the time. You can customise the realism provided by the mod through editing an .ini file, so it's now possible to have a proper engine start-up procedure, and avionics are closer to the real thing, especially regarding the Apache's targeting abilities (e.g. setting up priority fire zones on the MFD, manually laser designating targets, and so on). They have also added the co-pilot/gunner's cockpit to it.

The campaigns are dynamic, so missions are generated 'on the fly', and you can jump to different choppers while in-game, or instead 'lock' your pilot to a single chopper. Waypoints can be altered prior to or during flight. Sometimes the AI makes some questionable decisions about allocating particular units to certain missions. For example, the AI might decide to use Apaches for a SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defences) mission, which should really be allocated to strike jets like the F/A-18. I remember playing the unmodded version of the game some years ago, in which I chose the Apache for an escort mission, in which, IIRC, I was supposed to escort.....some F-16's. I have not encountered anything that strange in the modded version though.

Although the Comanche is included, despite it not having entered service, it's possible to edit a file that replaces them with other choppers, such as the OH-58 Kiowa, should you so wish.

You also get lots of extra campaign maps. Can't recall all of them but they include parts of Alaska, Puerto Rico, the Grand Canyon (why there'd be a conflict there, I don't know), Norway, the Aleutian Islands, the Alexander Archipelago, even one that's supposed to be an area of Mars' surface. :blah:

There's also Enemy Engaged 2, which I haven't tried, but the general consensus is that it didn't improve much upon the originals. Another sim that was released around the same time as Comanche vs. Hokum was Ka-52 Team Alligator, which looked impressive and had a squadron management feature which allowed you to manage your pilots' workload and R'n'R.

I vaguely remember one which included the ability to fly the Eurocopter Tiger, the Apache and a bunch of other Helis. Must've been around the year 2000-ish it came out, but I'll be damned if I can remember it's name.

I think you're referring to MicroProse's GUNSHIP! (note the '!' there). It was also released around the same time. It looked very photo-realistic, but generally received poor reviews, as it was released largely unfinished.

I'd recommend the Enemy Engaged series (I'm ignoring Enemy Engaged 2) with the mods applied, but that's just my opinion, and I'm eager to see what the modding team will do next as they have so far made some very good additions and made it feel more like a proper sim.

Edited for spelling and grammar corrections, and added an extra paragraph.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2011, 08:50:58 am by lostllama »

 
Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
Hmm. Just came across Combat-Helo, which seems to be an unoffical update sequel to Jane's Longbow 2:
http://www.moddb.com/games/combat-helo
http://combathelo.blogspot.com/

Still in development, looks quite good. :eek2:
« Last Edit: April 06, 2011, 06:49:30 am by lostllama »

 
Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
Sorry to triple post. Found some WIP footage of Combat-Helo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ILqIQDaio

Well that's another sim that might be an incentive for me to get a new computer.

 
Re: Combat Helicopter Sims
There is also Take On Helicopters, a game sitll in development, made by the creators of Arma 2
It will apperently also feature combat missions.