[Grizzly]

Yes, I believe blacks are genetically inferior. Gasp. Let me do CPR, you look like you're having a heart attack. So? Are you going to debate me or post contradictory evidence? Or just say "you're wrong"? I would appreciate it if you at least questioned the legitimacy of the studies I presented some more.

I don't think you need to worry, sneering's not really exertion enough to give me a heart attack

And yeah, I feel like the consensus of the entire scientific community that there's inadequate evidence to determine the genetic basis of intelligence (combined with the well-known biological truth that there is no such identifiable concept as 'race' in the shockingly homogeneous human population) is enough to question the legitimacy of your studies. Your position is clearly based on prejudice supported by selectively drawn 'evidence'.

I don't really see what else there is to say.

That the DNA differences between individuals is greater then the DNA differences found when comparing races against each other?

Source:https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/gjay/www/Whiteness/realityofrace.htm < This article, after google searching, after hearing the above from my brother, who is a biology student.

On the topic of the education system, that's personally my first target for reform. The current system does not encourage creative or different thought. You are meant to learn the material to get higher numbers which in our system somehow = better students/people/learners/thinkers. Obviously this is proving to be a fallacy, and what's worse, I think that most every kid in the US feels how BS the education system is, but they feel like they *have* to do it because that's how everyone before them did it. I don't think people realize how new a lot of our educational practices are, relatively speaking.

Smarter, better educated people think more about their choices in life and are more likely to try and do things on their own, rather than listening to what someone says to them.
"Stupider" people are more likely to simply go along with what they're told and believe in happy stuff the goverment/religion of choice/the man/whatever tells them to do.

Guess which cathegory would be preferred by the goverment?
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But the dutch goverment actually promoted independent thinking and all that... Might be history related though.

[Mustang19]

Yes, I believe blacks are genetically inferior. Gasp. Let me do CPR, you look like you're having a heart attack. So? Are you going to debate me or post contradictory evidence? Or just say "you're wrong"? I would appreciate it if you at least questioned the legitimacy of the studies I presented some more.

I don't think you need to worry, sneering's not really exertion enough to give me a heart attack

And yeah, I feel like the consensus of the entire scientific community that there's inadequate evidence to determine the genetic basis of intelligence (combined with the well-known biological truth that there is no such identifiable concept as 'race' in the shockingly homogeneous human population) is enough to question the legitimacy of your studies. Your position is clearly based on prejudice supported by selectively drawn 'evidence'.

I don't really see what else there is to say.

While we're making appeals to authority- Arthur Jensen, one of the top 50 most eminent psychologists of the 20th century, is for racial IQ differences.

Are you going to present contrary evidence? You can draw it selectively if you like.

That the DNA differences between individuals is greater then the DNA differences found when comparing races against each other?

There are still group differences.

[Luis Dias]

Your position is clearly based on prejudice supported by selectively drawn 'evidence'.

Exactly. It always is. And his trolling act seems quite obsessive. He gathered a lot of intel over this stuff. Somewhat ghastly.

[General Battuta]

Appeals to authority are perfectly in order. I don't need to draw anything selectively, there exists a clear consensus that we do not have enough information to disentangle and explain intelligence gaps, or even to be sure there are intelligence gaps, or that our metrics of intelligence are measuring something meaningful at all.

You and I both know that opinions to the contrary are generally bigotry bolstered by evidence rather than the other way around.

[Grizzly]

That the DNA differences between individuals is greater then the DNA differences found when comparing races against each other?

There are still group differences.

The point being that they are negligable. All group differences you might encounter are cultural.

[Luis Dias]

That the DNA differences between individuals is greater then the DNA differences found when comparing races against each other?

Technically this isn't an argument. Weather in a single day and in a single place may well go from 5 degrees celcius to 20. That doesn't mean we can say that the globe warming for two degrees isn't worrying.

[Topgun]

That the DNA differences between individuals is greater then the DNA differences found when comparing races against each other?

There are still group differences.

The point being that they are negligable. All group differences you might encounter are cultural.

Not the color of your skin.

[Unknown Target]

Yes, I believe blacks are genetically inferior. Gasp. Let me do CPR, you look like you're having a heart attack. So? Are you going to debate me or post contradictory evidence? Or just say "you're wrong"? I would appreciate it if you at least questioned the legitimacy of the studies I presented some more.

"Inferior" can be defined in many ways, and not everyone fits the stereotype of a genetic pattern - plus what is a "black" person anyway? At least in the US, people have intermingled so much for so long that I doubt you'll find many Americans who are pure anything anymore, and if you do, most of them by this point don't care about race.

Beyond that though, on the subject of inferior and how useless it is to assign broad traits to any genetic outline, what do you do when you have a "black" person who is smarter than another "white" person? With intelligence on a debatable and very wide ranging scale, it's difficult to define what a "superior" genetic blueprint would be. But let's move off of intelligence, and talk about athletics. "Blacks" are well known to be well-endowed in this field, yet I am "white" and am equally able to keep up - or I lag far behind them. But I also lag far behind "whites".

The point I'm trying to make is that assigning traits to people based on their ethnic heritage, in regards to anything other than the very broadest, broadest sense with a healthy dose of joking skepticism, is a losing battle. The very nature of the human race is that it's so diverse you can't pin down anyone to any specific subset. Maybe, maybe you could have 300 years ago before everyone started intermingling, but you could also lay claim at that point to the idea that you could do that because since people didn't intermingle, their "race traits" were actually just based on their education and local environment, and if you had taken a black baby from Africa and transported him to Europe, and given him an equal upbringing with a white baby, that the two's mindsets and intelligence/athletic capability would be virtually indistinguishable.

And let me clarify that I am in no way offended by what you said, my very mixed heritage notwithstanding. I just don't care; I've thought about this sort of stuff ages ago, and had to deal with racial issues head-on. I don't believe in people being inferior or superior to each other; of course people will be better at some things than others, heck you could even assign races to being better at some things than others (black people, for whatever reason, have really uproarious Sunday church gatherings, and if I had to choose between that or a solemn white person meeting, well I'll bring my loudest singing voice). At the end of the day though, it just doesn't matter anymore.

[The E]

Yes, I believe blacks are genetically inferior. Gasp. Let me do CPR, you look like you're having a heart attack. So? Are you going to debate me or post contradictory evidence? Or just say "you're wrong"? I would appreciate it if you at least questioned the legitimacy of the studies I presented some more.

For posting something so asinine, so openly racist, so fundamentally unsupported by scientific evidence, consider yourself warned.

[Grizzly]

That the DNA differences between individuals is greater then the DNA differences found when comparing races against each other?

There are still group differences.

The point being that they are negligable. All group differences you might encounter are cultural.

Not the color of your skin.

No, that's a climate thing .

Yes, I believe blacks are genetically inferior. Gasp. Let me do CPR, you look like you're having a heart attack. So? Are you going to debate me or post contradictory evidence? Or just say "you're wrong"? I would appreciate it if you at least questioned the legitimacy of the studies I presented some more.

For posting something so asinine, so openly racist, so fundamentally unsupported by scientific evidence, consider yourself warned.

Isn't there a thing called social darwinism somewhere around somewhere?

[Unknown Target]

Yes, I believe blacks are genetically inferior. Gasp. Let me do CPR, you look like you're having a heart attack. So? Are you going to debate me or post contradictory evidence? Or just say "you're wrong"? I would appreciate it if you at least questioned the legitimacy of the studies I presented some more.

I say he's free to say it. The worst thing it could do is offend you if you let it.

Seriously folks; race just really doesn't matter anymore to anyone besides the people who care about it - and I feel that that number is dwindling rapidly. Yes it'll always be there, but I doubt it'll be at the forefront like it was, say, 30 years ago.

For posting something so asinine, so openly racist, so fundamentally unsupported by scientific evidence, consider yourself warned.

[Topgun]

mfw intelligence differences in the human races is caused by cultural differences.

[Grizzly]

percieved intelligence differences. As in percieved trough educational tests.

Like the IQ ones. If you complete one at a high score, it does not mean you are smart persé. It simply means you are good at silly puzzles.

[General Battuta]

Yes, I believe blacks are genetically inferior. Gasp. Let me do CPR, you look like you're having a heart attack. So? Are you going to debate me or post contradictory evidence? Or just say "you're wrong"? I would appreciate it if you at least questioned the legitimacy of the studies I presented some more.

For posting something so asinine, so openly racist, so fundamentally unsupported by scientific evidence, consider yourself warned.

I say he's free to say it. The worst thing it could do is offend you if you let it.

Seriously folks; race just really doesn't matter anymore to anyone besides the people who care about it - and I feel that that number is dwindling rapidly. Yes it'll always be there, but I doubt it'll be at the forefront like it was, say, 30 years ago.

Yeah you're wrong.

[The E]

I am very, very sorry for violating your right to free speech, but racism, especially if it comes equipped with pseudoscience, is something I will never, ever let stand.

Isn't there a thing called social darwinism somewhere around somewhere?

If it is social, then it can't very well be genetic, can it?

[Mustang19]

Can I post yet?

[Topgun]

percieved intelligence differences. As in percieved trough educational tests.

Like the IQ ones. If you complete one at a high score, it does not mean you are smart persé. It simply means you are good at silly puzzles.

I disagree. I wouldn't be surprised if the average american black is not as smart as the average american white or american asian, but I believe its due to cultural differences. Its similar to culture of poverty theory.

I also think that iq is a pretty good measure of intelligence.

[Grizzly]

I am very, very sorry for violating your right to free speech, but racism, especially if it comes equipped with pseudoscience, is something I will never, ever let stand.

Isn't there a thing called social darwinism somewhere around somewhere?

If it is social, then it can't very well be genetic, can it?

It had something to do with genetics applied to the social structure. The Nazis used social darwanism as scientific evidence for their practices.

percieved intelligence differences. As in percieved trough educational tests.

Like the IQ ones. If you complete one at a high score, it does not mean you are smart persé. It simply means you are good at silly puzzles.

I disagree. I wouldn't be surprised if the average american black is not as smart as the average american white or american asian, but I believe its due to cultural differences. Its similar to culture of poverty theory.

I also think that iq is a pretty good measure of intelligence.

What is that theory exactly? I find it rather... unsettling... that the way I was raised affects my ability to do silly logic puzzles.

[Mustang19]

If I would have worded it differently no one would be freaking out. How about the thesis that cultural or genetic factors are responsible for the black-white IQ gap? Specifically characteristics of black culture or parenting?

[The E]

Can I post yet?

Be aware that all posts you make in the next few days will have to be approved by moderators.

It had something to do with genetics applied to the social structure. The Nazis used social darwanism as scientific evidence for their practices.

See above re: Pseudoscience. Also, citing the ****ing Nazis, with their 19th-century ideologies as evidence does you no credit.

If I would have worded it differently no one would be freaking out. How about the thesis that cultural or genetic factors are responsible for the black-white IQ gap?

Cultural factors, certainly. Individual genetics, probably. Racial genetics though? Incredibly doubtful.