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Offline Luis Dias

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Discipline and traditional values developed under difficult preindustrial conditions died out and weren't replaced in decadent modern society where living is easy.

Which is something you really, really should think about again. Because it's incredibly wrong.

Makes half sense. If you take out the "preindustrial" nonsense there, just see the young generations of western society vs "tiger moms" and such. There is some blazéness that comes with wealth, which other peoples may simply have learned not to indulge in.

 
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Serfs and farmers do not have to deal with multiple complex situations simultaniously, and are not expected to keep up to date with everything in order to function at work and in society. Today, we have to. Its the second part of the point I was trying to make.

Look at it this way. I don't think many people today would want a serf's work.
Might be related to the fact that now we don't  have bandits everywhere and are not in constand need of armed protection.
But there are quite a few people who yearn for a simple farmers life. Even though that is nota vaialable, because farmers life also happens to have become vastly more complex. Yeah!

 

Offline Bobboau

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Rising crime rates since 1960.

Do some reading (and think about places other than the US, too)

People in better conditions are more productive. Happiness is pretty intuitive.

There's actually been some work done on the heuristic and genetic factors that create this illusion that 'things were better in the old days'.

ummm... the article you linked to shows crime rate was at it's lowest in the 1960s...
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Re: Race, politics, and stupidity
Yeah I think it's pretty obvious, it involves drugs, immigration, and the economy

That works. Doesn't explain falling church attendance, lower savings rates and increasing use of credit though. But I'm sure there are other things to explain church attendance, and consumer borrowing was higher in the 20s than it was in the 90s, I think.

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Might be related to the fact that now we don't  have bandits everywhere and are not in constand need of armed protection.

My point exactly. Things were tougher back then.

ed: falling church attendance from 1900 to 2000 okay

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Wasn't there always some kinds of drugs, immigration and "economy"?

Well in drugs you may have a point.

 
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Increasing hispanic immigration means lots of socially unintegrated youths. Economy = higher inequality and greater jealousy and temptation to steal, I guess.

Of course inequality and immigration were much bigger problems in the 19th century.

 

Offline Marcov

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Hey, living in the province is easier, don't you think?

1)Healthier lifestyle
2)More abundant food resources (well depends on what province tho lol)
3)Less money-oriented, but of course, will require more physical world

Keep in mind that this may just be the tip of the iceberg. If you're into this kind of argument, you have to consider:

1)What work in the Urban life would make you so stressed that it would probably be easier living multiple decades ago
2)Hell, yeah what work. What work indeed. You could just be a Hippie or something.
3)There are certainly more junk food these days, increasing the chances of an unhealthy lifestyle. Take that into account.
4)Well of course it'd all be your choice. You could be vegetarian, but ultimately your diet has a much larger percentage of chance that you WOULD adjust to a fast food-oriented stomach
5)The country/place/location/geography you live in
6)Your personality
7)Sports, in many cities, have declined. This further contributes to expanding the percentage of the chance that you WOULD be living an unhealthy lifestyle.
8)However, you could do gym stuff as you wish. But take note that STILL is the larger possibility that you WOULD chose to practice sports/exercise less, since city life nowadays usually tend to be less health-oriented
9)People today tend to be less polite, and more casual take that into account
10)I can't list more in the moment, but there definitely are dozens or hundreds of factors you have to consider doing such general a debate.


...also this is simply my view, so don't bash me for this.
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Offline Luis Dias

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ed: falling church attendance from 1900 to 2000 okay

People being less religious doesn't have anything to do with "morality" or "values". They just don't believe it so much as the previous generations. I think that's good news.

 

Offline The E

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Mustang, if you think "falling church attendance" is a useful metric for anything except for how many people are in churches, you're rather wrong.

Also, very right-wing american.

Of course, being a left-leaning, atheist german, I am quite biased about these things.

Mustang, please stop this. Go out, and grow up a bit. Like, another 12 years. Then we can have this discussion again.
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Offline Marcov

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Failing to go to Church MIGHT have disadvantages. Church indeed has benefits, but some may tend to use it wrongly.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline General Battuta

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Look this thread has basically turned into 'clash of the worldviews' and that's not going to go anywhere

 
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Mustang, please stop this. Go out, and grow up a bit. Like, another 12 years. Then we can have this discussion again.

lol, as if my age is the one accurate statement i made in this thread

Look this thread has basically turned into 'clash of the worldviews' and that's not going to go anywhere

Please don't lock. If you don't want to discuss it you are free not to.

You win for now though. I'm gonna go like, think about this stuff over lunch.

  

Offline General Battuta

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I think he meant to say Marcov not Mustang

ed: but basically I don't think there's any reason to think the world has GONE SOFT HOMG, we still get **** done. If there are big problems that worry me they're systemic rather than individual.

 

Offline Marcov

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This thread is basically about racism, which is a concept so large that there WILL be a clash of world views, unless there's a race-detector in the HLP which allows only people of the accepted race to register.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 
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I think he meant to say Marcov not Mustang

ed: but basically I don't think there's any reason to think the world has GONE SOFT HOMG, we still get **** done. If there are big problems that worry me they're systemic rather than individual.

I think you're exaggerating what I'm saying. I'm discussing the minor effect of cultural values on productivity not going 11111SOCIAL DECLINEONEONEONE

 

Offline Luis Dias

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This thread is basically about racism, which is a concept so large that there WILL be a clash of world views, unless there's a race-detector in the HLP which allows only people of the accepted race to register.

So only people of different races will have different opinions on racism? *facepalm*

 

Offline Luis Dias

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I think he meant to say Marcov not Mustang

ed: but basically I don't think there's any reason to think the world has GONE SOFT HOMG, we still get **** done. If there are big problems that worry me they're systemic rather than individual.

I think you're exaggerating what I'm saying. I'm discussing the minor effect of cultural values on productivity not going 11111SOCIAL DECLINEONEONEONE


We should also not ignore the huge power of laziness to get things done in a much simpler, efficient, way. I'm incredibly lazy, and that characteristic of mine has probably spared me thousands of hours of work because I just couldn't get myself doing boring repetitive work (and so I always try to find an automated path of doing things).

 

Offline The E

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If your age is accurate, then you do lack the experience necessary to have qualified opinions on the subjects you have been discussing. In addition, you lack the will necessary to actually debate the points you raise. You keep coming up with one claim after another, all born from all the smallmindedness that only youth can provide. You keep getting shot down, but instead of taking a hint (Like, that you do not know what you are talking about), you keep coming back for more.

I think you're exaggerating what I'm saying. I'm discussing the minor effect of cultural values on productivity not going 11111SOCIAL DECLINEONEONEONE

And yet, the vocabulary you use is straight out of the "everything was better in the past", "kids these days have no values" playbook. And you are not discussing anything, you are just assuming stuff without any facts to back you up.
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Offline Marcov

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What are you (Mustang) talking about, basically? That life was better back then, or that life is better right now?
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline General Battuta

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I don't think Mustang is actually 12 man, he is in fact clearly not