[General Battuta]

This entire discussion is ****ing retarded. Most rapists are people you know and trust, not random people on the street or home intruders.

Can we pick a less asinine example please

Really? does that include child molestation?

Yeah, probably doubly so

[The E]

Yep, the statistics are pretty clear on that. According to this, which was the first page found by google, 90% of all victims know the perpetrator, and in 68% of all cases, the molestor was a family member of some sort.

[Topgun]

This entire discussion is ****ing retarded. Most rapists are people you know and trust, not random people on the street or home intruders.

Can we pick a less asinine example please

Really? does that include child molestation?

Yeah, probably doubly so

Show us statistics that don't include child molestation then. Of course the majority of child molesters know the victim, but we aren't talking about child molestation.

[General Battuta]

Straight from BARCC

Attackers target people they know.

    75 percent of all survivors know their attackers; 80 percent of all rapes occur in the home.5

    90 percent of rape survivors on college campuses know their attackers.6

    93 percent of juvenile sexual assault survivors know their attackers.7

Rapists share common characteristics and patterns.

    99 percent of female and 85 percent of male survivors were raped by a male.8

    While most rapists are male, most males are not rapists.

    Most “undetected” rapists (those who have not been convicted or served time in jail) are repeat rapists who commit an average of six rapes each.9

    Instead of using weapons, threats, or extreme physical force or violence, most undetected rapists premeditate their attacks, identify and isolate victims, and deliberately use only as much force as necessary, such as psychological weapons and alcohol.10

Rape and sexual assault are significantly underreported.

    Nearly 60% of rape/sexual assault victims did not report their victimization to the police in 2006, according to National Crime Victimization Survey data. 11

[Topgun]

But do  those include child molestation? If they don't then yeah, thats pertinent, but if they do then thats going to affect those stats.

[The E]

Look at this: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv09.pdf

Special attention should be paid to table 7, which categorizes the relationships between victims and perpetrators. And yes, those are rates for adults.

[General Battuta]

Yes, these conclusions still hold if you exclude child rapes.

Jesus Christ how do you not know this? The undereducation of people is shocking.

[Topgun]

Look at this: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv09.pdf

Special attention should be paid to table 7, which categorizes the relationships between victims and perpetrators. And yes, those are rates for adults.

thanks

Yes, these conclusions still hold if you exclude child rapes.

Jesus Christ how do you not know this? The undereducation of people is shocking.

I knew this about child molestation, but not about adult rape

[zookeeper]

Yeah cause a rapist comes in and with a big sign that says "I'm not after your money, I want your ass."... No, they say nobody's gonna hurt you, just do what I say... you know the rest.  They aren't stupid.  They will get you under their complete control and then do what they want.  Unless they are overconfident.  Because they know if you think they are going to rape you, you might get desperate.  If you think they just want your money, you might just give it to them.

So basically your point is that when faced with what seems like a burglar, it's not safer to give them what they want than it is to try to kill or subdue them, because they might actually be a rapist and not only take your belongings after all? Sure, that's possible too.

[General Battuta]

I spent a few years doing krav maga, with a teacher taught by hard-ass Israeli ex-military types, and we were taught that you should always comply with a criminal if possible unless the criminal is clearly threatening rape, abduction, or murder.

[Mustang19]

And if someone tries to do any of those three things to you, you're legally allowed to shoot them anyway.

[Mustang19]

hai gaiz i know this thread is really derailed but i'd thought i'd drop this harvard study here too

Rather, if firearms availability does matter, the data consistently show that the way it does matter is that more guns equal less violent crime.

[Nuclear1]

And if someone tries to do any of those three things to you, you're legally allowed to shoot them anyway.

That's...correct, sort of.  Depends on where you are in the US, and what that state's specific Castle law is.

Remember that there will be lots of soldiers who joined the military to protect people's rights and freedoms, not to take them away. An army of 100 million guerrillas with hunting rifles and revolvers supported by 100 000 regulars who defected will be far more a threat to any regime than just the group of 100 000 defectors.

Another revolution fantasy.  Wonderful. 

You know, the advantage guerrillas have over regular military is their ability to hide among civilians.  If there was that sort of revolution, a lot (and I mean, a lot) of innocent bystanders would die.  And your numbers are horribly off--do you really think one-third of the US would revolt?  Take a look at Iraq--a country of about 32 million; only about ~130K people were involved in the insurgency.  That's <.1% of the population. 

Tasers and pepper spray don't always work.

When electrocuted, guy asks cops: "That's all you got?"
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/man_hit_by_police_taser_thats.html

Tasered, guy stands up and continues to fight:
http://www.wehodaily.com/2011/04/16/man-tazered-fighting-deputies/

There's probably a lot more of these situations. If anyone has any statistics, feel free to post 'em.

No, they don't always work, but in that case, guns don't always work either.  People under the influence of drugs or in the midst of an adrenaline rush might not feel the gunshot until much later. 

'an armed society is a polite society'.

Only time I hear this phrase is from extreme Second Amendment supporters, the gun show types.  Not surprisingly, most of the same people are the ones with the violent revolution fantasies.

[Nuclear1]

EDIT:  I doublepost because I hate freedom.

[Mustang19]

Yes, these conclusions still hold if you exclude child rapes.

Jesus Christ how do you not know this? The undereducation of people is shocking.

Yeah because not only are soft sciences real science, but it is both ethical and practical to conduct large scale social experiments to verify sociological hypotheses to the same degree of certainty possible in mathematics or physics, and being unsure of a claim you think you remember you read three years ago on the internet or in the New Yorker or secondhand from a sociology major while sharing a bong is equivalent to questioning the existence of gravity.

Another revolution fantasy.  Wonderful.

Nuclear, I already knew you hated freedom but you have to look at countries like Libya where people owned guns and they easily kicked Gadaffi and his third world military's ass, even if they had to steal most of their weapons, NATO helped out a little bit, and they haven't quite kicked his ass yet.


The previous statements were partially sarcastic.

[General Battuta]

I don't think a population statistic is a hypothesis :colbert:

[Mustang19]

I don't think a population statistic is a hypothesis :colbert:

One day I'll find a contradiction or misspelled big word in something you said GB... one day.

[Drogoth]

Yes, these conclusions still hold if you exclude child rapes.

Jesus Christ how do you not know this? The undereducation of people is shocking.

Yeah because not only are soft sciences real science, but it is both ethical and practical to conduct large scale social experiments to verify sociological hypotheses to the same degree of certainty possible in mathematics or physics, and being unsure of a claim you think you remember you read three years ago on the internet or in the New Yorker or secondhand from a sociology major while sharing a bong is equivalent to questioning the existence of gravity.

Another revolution fantasy.  Wonderful.

Nuclear, I already knew you hated freedom but you have to look at countries like Libya where people owned guns and they easily kicked Gadaffi and his third world military's ass, even if they had to steal most of their weapons, NATO helped out a little bit, and they haven't quite kicked his ass yet.


The previous statements were partially sarcastic.

+1 to battuta....

and Libya is not America. I'd like to see you and your ten guns take on a battleship or a stealth bomber.

Also, 'NATO helped a little'? Without our air strikes Gadaffi would've rolled his revolutionaries up in a matter of days. The only reason they have a chance in hell is because the sky is on their side. If a revolution was launched in the states, the USAF would be able to put that thing down in a matter of days. Probably a single day, IF that long

[Mustang19]

am i the only sarcastic person here

GOD why is there no informed disagreement about any substantial political issue on this board? No wonder we all just circle jerk all day.

Drogoth this is why it's either private nuclear arsenals or nothing.

[Grizzly]

Yes, these conclusions still hold if you exclude child rapes.

Jesus Christ how do you not know this? The undereducation of people is shocking.

Wait, is extensive knowledge of rape mandatory these days?