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Which is the best?

Capitalism
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Communism
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Socialism
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Offline Marcov

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Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
Basically the title says it all.

Who wins?

EDIT: I've modified this thread to make this more specific. It appears that the point of this poll is vague, initially.

Basically, it's "Which system would you like to be applied on your country? Capitalism, Socialism, or Communism"?
Is it clear enough now?
« Last Edit: April 21, 2011, 09:38:35 pm by Marcov »
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Offline Snail

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
isms SUCK

 

Offline Marcov

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
Basically it might be "you can buy our products get it here and give us your money" vs. "let us all be equal you have to" vs. "well we like business but well we don't like rich people" vs. "mammoth that can't harm anyone and is far smaller than an elephant".
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline The E

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
Basically it might be "you can buy our products get it here and give us your money" vs. "let us all be equal you have to" vs. "well we like business but well we don't like rich people" vs. "mammoth that can't harm anyone and is far smaller than an elephant".

You really do not, on a very fundamental level, understand what you are asking here, do you?

First, you do not define terms. What, exactly, is socialism for the purposes of this? What are communism and capitalism?

Second, your post implies a fundamental misunderstanding of how these things work. You can't say "This system is best" globally, you have to ask "which system works best in what situation". For example, any working family is communist in practice, if we use one of communism's catchphrases ("To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities"). However, that system rapidly breaks down the greter the scope it is applied on (which, incidentally, is why there is no communist state in existance). Families orgenized on a capitalist system, conversely, would provavly be pretty horrible, but states run along capitalist lines do seem to work acceptably well.

So yeah.

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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
You don't bring these topics up at parties, do you? ;)

 

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Offline Sushi

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
Perhaps a more interesting question to ask is:
"If you could design one from scratch, what would be the ideal form of government for a modern western society?"

 

Offline MP-Ryan

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
Perhaps a more interesting question to ask is:
"If you could design one from scratch, what would be the ideal form of government for a modern western society?"

Faulty question - no government is ideal, but some is necessary. :P Churchill said it best:

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Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

On a more serious note, none of the listed "isms" have much to do with governance.  Strictly speaking, they're economic systems.  Each system can "function" under virtually every form of governance.  It's just through bastardization of terms that we refer to China as a Communist country.

Also, snuffy FTW since the poll is pointless.
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Offline Bobboau

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
Well, a goverment typicaly enforces a particular economic model and when that is of interest that is the label used.
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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
in lieu of Absolute Monarchy I choose Snuffy.

In any case, it becomes painfully obvious that a command economy is made of fail the minute you try to figure out how to make a Big Mac, let alone try to apply it to an entire nation's economy.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Snuflepagus wins. Fatality.


 

Offline Nuke

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
they all suck
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Offline Bobboau

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
the question was which one sucks the least, though that depends largely on the criteria you use to evaluate them by.
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Offline SypheDMar

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
This thread is retarded. I can't tell if this is asking for a better economic model or a better model for governance. Either way, limiting to three options is simply lazy, and none of the vote represents my truest opinion of which is the best because what I want isn't available. I will take the time to entertain the topic starter and anyone else who reads. For the record, I love America despite the sad position we're in. Alright chums, let's do this:

Capitalism is built upon creative destruction. You take money (M) and use it to be labor power (LP) and means of production (MP) to make a commodity (C). You then use C to more M (M'). So the whole model of capitalism basically sums up to M-C-M' as opposed to C-M-C or C-C. This creates commodities in large numbers and is efficient in the sense that goods are created by specialized and cheap labor. What this also does is that it is naturally inclined to create inequality barring government involvement. And this has been working for around 200 years. Theoretically, this would be an endless process, however, MP is finite, and right now, we're using the last of it: The Earth itself. Capitalism is also violent. Where competition for resources is encouraged, war for land is irresistible. Also, given the growing working class, the proletariats are naturally exploited because the workers are forced to compete against each other. The invisible hand left unchecked creates ignorance, and Ricardo's assumption that comparative advantage is good for the economy because a citizen of the state would be loyal to his own state is wrong. Whatever the case, free trade doesn't work because not only of Ricardo's failed assumption that companies in the US would help the US, but also because Karl Marx's assumption that the government is a committee of capitalists may be true as well. Adam Smith himself criticizes the famous pin factory in the end of Wealth of Nations.

Adam Smith envisioned a natural path to development and an unnatural path to development. The latter being what Marx calls Capitalism. The former is what can be called "Market-based" economic system. This is what Adam Smith saw in Imperial China. An economic system where the workers and the land are not exploited. A system that somewhat resembles capitalism but the power ultimately lies in the government. Smith looked at East Asia and saw it to be much greater than Britain at the time. In fact, back 1820, China and Japan combined constituted as over 35% of the world's GDP. US and Britain put together is less than 10%. Consequently since interstate war was uncommon, peace was more common than war, where the opposite was true of Europe. Currently, the PRC is doing something like this, where they have capitalists competing with other capitalists and control the economy. Also, socialism like present-day Europe and the US have some resemblance to this system, though they ultimately are capitalist.

Communism is a system that has never actually occurred in the way the thread poster has described it. In fact, there has always been a central governing authority, so unless proven otherwise, total equality does not exist as an economic model for governing a state.

Whatever happened to political economy? Separation of economics from governance (political science) would have made the great thinkers cry.

 

Offline sigtau

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
They're all corrupt in their own way.  Apply the 'good' principles found in all three and you might just approach a near-perfect system of government and (possibly) economics--not to say that a 'perfect' economic system means that it will never decline (because even the best economies fail once in a while), but of course you get the point.
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i know blanket statements should be avoided but all economic systems have a fundamental flaw, human greed
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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
It is my personal opinion that the first nation to go Frankenstein on all save the innocent mammal wins.

I wholly support sigtau's sentiment.
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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
i say we just nuke everything and create a society where humans have to eat eachother to survive.
I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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Offline Snail

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i say we just nuke everything and create a society where humans have to eat eachother to survive.
That's actually a really good idea, it's simply a pity people haven't given it more consideration.

 

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Re: Capitalism vs. Communism vs. Socialism
Instead of just directly going back to the stone age or whatever... maybe we should skip back a few thousand years at first.