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Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
I Am Disappoint because I've been unable to find a thread on this already. If I merely missed it, I apologize.

First of all, download both PDF's from the horse's mouth: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

The links are as follows:

http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf
http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

The resulting PDF file sizes are 53,490 bytes (birth-certificate.pdf) and 385,354 bytes (birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) (Win: Right-click -> Properties -> Size field). If you get different sizes, then let us know ASAP, as that means the file(s) at above links have been changed. In case they have changed, I'm attaching the documents that I downloaded from those links while posting this thread.

Open up the first PDF, the birth-certificate.pdf. Look at the very bottom. "msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg"? On a document linked to from the White House website itself? Odd. If you click that link, the JPG file is still there, and lo and behold, it looks far more official than the PDF the White House linked to. It also has a green BG pattern that isn't in the WH PDF. I think I know why the appearances are different (see below), but if you have an explanation for why the WH was using a file from mom-&-pop Snopes.com to begin with (and it's a blatant enough oddity that I imagine there is a simple explanation I'm just not aware of), please let us know.

Now, open up the 2nd PDF (birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) in a PDF program of your choosing, and examine the document. Notice the different, lighter font color of the date fields towards the bottom. Most of all, look at the document's page curvature along the left side. It's probably an effect we've all seen from scans of books due to the binding preventing the page from laying flat against the scanner's surface. So how come the green background pattern isn't similarly curved?

Now, open the PDF in Illustrator, and take a gander at those lovely layers. Turn them off and on, and watch parts of various fields flicker in and out of existence. Turn them all off except for the background layer (the one that has the green patterned background) and check out the document.

Does this look as bizarre to you as it does to me?

If someone wanted to forge a document, I'd certainly expect them to do a better job of it. I certainly could.

I'll post what this looks like to me in a spolier tag, but I want to get your unfettered opinions before you see my opinion, so no peeking until you investigate.

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It looks to me like the t_______ p______ of the d_______ resulted in a f____ d_______, possibly a f__, that was p___________ for b_____ r_________.

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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
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Now, open up the 2nd PDF (birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) in a PDF program of your choosing, and examine the document. Notice the different, lighter font color of the date fields towards the bottom. Most of all, look at the document's page curvature along the left side. It's probably an effect we've all seen from scans of books due to the binding preventing the page from laying flat against the scanner's surface. So how come the green background pattern isn't similarly curved?

I don't get it. The green pattern is obviously not part of the certificate, but of the copy of the certificate, so of course it doesn't bend where the certificate bends.

 

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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
The birth certificate case is pretty much a distraction - Shoddy birth certificate copy, really trying to give people the feeling it's fake, and while we discuss that, something more interesting happens behind the scenes.
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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
The problem is, even if he had released something that looked even more legit, the idiots who didn't believe him before would still be unconvinced.

Honestly, I am disappoint in Sandwich for posting this conspiracy theory bull****.
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Honestly, I am disappoint in Sandwich for posting this conspiracy theory bull****.

Heartily concur.
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Even though this is probably some delicious Poe's Law, it's tired old useless crap. I'll never understand the mind of a birther.
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It's easy to understand. They can't stand the idea of a black american president.

Blacks are not really american. Everyone knows that the true american is a whity.

So if someone who happens to be black manages to become president, something went awfully wrong.

Mostly, he cheated. Somewhere. From starters, he surely isn't an american. Why else would he fail to produce his birth certificate?

And worse, his birth is the blasphemous product of an interracial marriage. I mean, can it get worse than that?

Even worse, he's from Chicago, and we all know that all the Chicago people are from the mafia. So he's bad on that account too.

And then he's a democrat.

I mean, look at him. Does he seem american to you? All that smarty-talk like he's intelligent and stuff. No cowboy hat. No ranch. A geek for chrissakes! And a black one at that! And he's a muslim too, dontcha know? That's why he's building a mosque in ground zero with his AlQuaeda pals.

 

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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
FFS

Actually, to tell you the truth, I felt sorry for any of my fellow citizens who happened to be "black". The same way I'd feel sorry for any of my fellow citizens who happened to be female if Hillary was elected.  I felt that Obama would be a poor representation of black people; he is the first black president and I think they deserve better.

 

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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
Honestly, I am disappoint in Sandwich for posting this conspiracy theory bull****.
Heartily concur.
I'll never understand the mind of a birther.

:lol:

I'm so glad I both posted my suspicions as to the real reason, and hid them at the same time. It allowed people such as yourselves some slack to show how well you pay attention to things (hint: you don't, apparently). So let me make things somewhat obvious.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, "birther" (whatever the heck that is), or any other stereotype. I'm a person with eyes that can see things in front of me, ears that hear things around me, and a mind to discern if what I see (or am shown) or hear makes sense or is totally off the wall. So A) quit your labelling.

B) The circumstances of me posting this are as follows: A friend saw the infowars video about this whole thing and asked my opinion on whether it was legit, knowing that I was computer-savvy, and well-aquainted with Photoshop (not that Photoshop is used to see the layers in this document, but whatever). I told him I'd download the file and check it out. I also told him the following:

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I can easily imagine a scenario where someone took the document from the White Hose site, photoshopped to appear like a fake, uploaded a video about it being fake, and posted a link to their own altered document, stating that if the White House had replaced the document already, people could download what it used to be here (providing them with the altered version). So I'll download the document from the White House site and look into it.

So I did so. The document, as downloaded from the White House site, does indeed still have the odd-looking layers in it, and the other inconsistencies. So I came here, looking to see what you guys had concluded about the odd document, because I respect the immense collective knowledge of this particular internet crowd. To my surprise, I found absolutely nothing about this, which is why I was disappointed.

So I posted this thread and my conclusions about the veracity of the document, pointing out the obvious oddness, and asking your opinions on the matter:

*snip*

Does this look as bizarre to you as it does to me?

If someone wanted to forge a document, I'd certainly expect them to do a better job of it. I certainly could.

I'll post what this looks like to me in a spolier tag, but I want to get your unfettered opinions before you see my opinion, so no peeking until you investigate.

Spoiler:
It looks to me like the t_______ p______ of the d_______ resulted in a f____ d_______, possibly a f__, that was p___________ for b_____ r_________.

After this, I continued poking around the net some more, looking into the conspiracy sites to see what inconsistencies they were finding, etc. Of course I had to wade through lots of biased, off-the-wall comments, but among the junk, I found what I believe to be true. I mostly fits in with what I had concluded, but brought in an added aspect that I was unaware of.

I ran across a few comments that brought forth the point that the odd layers found in the White House PDF look very much like the automatic layers added into documents that are scanned and run through OCR. I never dealt with OCR myself, so I was unaware of this aspect of it, although I have a general idea of how it works. With that in mind, I looked at the document again, and in my opinion, it fits - the document does indeed appear to have been scanned in and run through OCR, which created the layers. The only other missing piece is simply shoddy workmanship on the side of whoever was in charge of processing the actual document for uploading... but it's pretty easy to imagine a government worker producing shoddy work.

In conclusion, here's the full version of my spoiler above:


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It looks to me like the transmit process of the document resulted in a faded document, possibly a fax, that was photoshopped for better readability.

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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
Oh well, that's nice to know.

Still, I would have preferred it if you hadn't started off as an intro to conspiracy theories. Poe's Law in action, I guess.
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Oh and I think as to why no one brought this up on the boards before now is because of the ridiculous media saturation on the subject that has been going on for far too long. Most sane rational thinking people have already determined for themselves that Obama is the legitimate president and have tried to move on despite the left wing's insistence for continuously bringing the subject up. That or they just don't care any more as this issue has been brought up constantly ever since Obama was elected despite no evidence ever being presented that suggested he was born outside the US. As the president said when the white house released the document there are far more important things to do right now.
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Frankly, to me it's a non issue. I even have the opinion that the US president could well be someone that wasn't born in the USA (and such would be possible in all countries anyway). In what concerns for the USA, a ****ing immigrant country, ffs, it's even more of a non-issue.

So I watched all the shenanigan as a "You can't be an american, OSAM... I mean OBAMA, for you are blackkkkk and meslimmm!!" show off of blatant racism.

This would have never happened with a white guy whose father was, say, irish.

 

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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, "birther" (whatever the heck that is), or any other stereotype. I'm a person with eyes that can see things in front of me, ears that hear things around me, and a mind to discern if what I see (or am shown) or hear makes sense or is totally off the wall. So A) quit your labelling.

That's not what I meant. The entire birth certificate issue is such clownshoes bull**** that I regard giving it any form of legitimacy by beginning a discussion over it as a grave intellectual failure. It is acceptable to offer necessary rebuttal where appropriate. The release of the long-form certificate has accomplished that. Any further discussion beyond "it exists *****es" is granting the issue a legitimacy it does not deserve.

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Can someone tell this fool whats the big deal about Obama's place of birth? He's been in office for nearly 3 years. Seems too late to start bringing this up

 
Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
Oh and I think as to why no one brought this up on the boards before now is because of the ridiculous media saturation on the subject that has been going on for far too long. Most sane rational thinking people have already determined for themselves that Obama is the legitimate president and have tried to move on despite the left wing's insistence for continuously bringing the subject up. That or they just don't care any more as this issue has been brought up constantly ever since Obama was elected despite no evidence ever being presented that suggested he was born outside the US. As the president said when the white house released the document there are far more important things to do right now.

I think you meant right wing there.
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So I did so. The document, as downloaded from the White House site, does indeed still have the odd-looking layers in it, and the other inconsistencies. So I came here, looking to see what you guys had concluded about the odd document, because I respect the immense collective knowledge of this particular internet crowd. To my surprise, I found absolutely nothing about this, which is why I was disappointed.

So let me get this straight: you figured out why it was odd-looking, then came here expecting us to have also tracked down this minute detail in an unnecessary disproof to a hysterical and mostly racist conspiracy theory given no credence by basically anyone here?

Sorry to have disappointed you. You're going to be disappointed further: in spite of the media attention brought to the Apollo 11 landings by recent episodes of Doctor Who, we have no threads conclusively proving the moon landing was real currently on the first page. Nor have we discussed the obvious ridiculousness of Reptilian strategy in manipulating Majestic 12 at any point in the past month. There is a shameful lack of fine analysis of disproofs to conspiracy theories on this forum!

I mean this wouldn't seem so damn silly if you hadn't put your disappointment in the thread title.

 

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in spite of the media attention brought to the Apollo 11 landings by recent episodes of Doctor Who, we have no threads conclusively proving the moon landing was real currently on the first page.

Quickly! We must construct an argument proving that we have killed a Silent today as a result of watching that episode.
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