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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
:lol:

I'm so glad I both posted my suspicions as to the real reason, and hid them at the same time. It allowed people such as yourselves some slack to show how well you pay attention to things (hint: you don't, apparently). So let me make things somewhat obvious.

First of all, that was some tl;dr in your first post. An abstract of what kind of point you were going to make might have made me read past the first four sentences.

Second, you were spouting about inane birther stuff, which is an instant turn off.

Lastly I wasn't necessarily calling you a birther, I just said I would never understand the mind of a birther, nor any conspiracy nut for that matter.
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in spite of the media attention brought to the Apollo 11 landings by recent episodes of Doctor Who, we have no threads conclusively proving the moon landing was real currently on the first page.

Quickly! We must construct an argument proving that we have killed a Silent today as a result of watching that episode.

Holy **** that would be an epic ARG. It's even got a built-in reason that the participants wouldn't remember any of the cool parts.

On second thought, that sounds like it would make for a really badass religion.

 

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On second thought, that sounds like it would make for a really badass religion.

You'll be rich!
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Oh and I think as to why no one brought this up on the boards before now is because of the ridiculous media saturation on the subject that has been going on for far too long. Most sane rational thinking people have already determined for themselves that Obama is the legitimate president and have tried to move on despite the left wing's insistence for continuously bringing the subject up. That or they just don't care any more as this issue has been brought up constantly ever since Obama was elected despite no evidence ever being presented that suggested he was born outside the US. As the president said when the white house released the document there are far more important things to do right now.

I think you meant right wing there.

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All followers of Battutism must train rigorously to meet and kill the phantom enemy.

You will never remember seeing the enemy. You will never remember closing with or defeating it. You will carry away no trophies, dream away all wounds.

There will be no experience to fall back on, no brotherhood to trust. You will be solitary: you and It, alone in the moment, without past or future, armed only with the weapons you make your habit and the skills you make your creed. What more pure test could there be?

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IMPOSSIBLE.  There can never be too much Doctor Who!

 

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First of all, that was some tl;dr in your first post. An abstract of what kind of point you were going to make might have made me read past the first four sentences.

Second, you were spouting about inane birther stuff, which is an instant turn off.

Lastly I wasn't necessarily calling you a birther, I just said I would never understand the mind of a birther, nor any conspiracy nut for that matter.

That was kinda my whole point. There was no abstract - I was honestly going through the document as I was writing the post up, recording my conclusions. Yes, I could have edited in a summary after the post was complete, but the idea wasn't to get a specific point across - it was to point out the oddities as I saw them, and ask you all what you made of them.

Everything seemed to point to a very unusual amount of incompetence on the part of whoever digitally handled that document - whether they were intending to commit forgery or make it more readable, I didn't know. All I knew was that at first, second, and third glance, something was messed-up and raising a lot of legitimate questions with a lot of people. The fact that it sounded like what you call "birther" stuff was because hey, the (apparent) facts were pointing at a document that had been severely digitally altered, which I gather is what the so-called "birther" proponents generally claim.

In any case, the documents really indicate extreme incompetence by whoever was responsible for creating those PDFs - especially the first one, now that I've thought things over! I mean, it looks like the person was told to post a PDF of Obama's birth certificate, so they Googled for an image of it, found the one on Snopes, physically printed it out (hence the header and footer), and scanned that in to get a PDF! Utter incompetence, and I'm still really surprised that HLP hadn't picked up on the whole thing... debunking the forgery claims or not. *shrug* Whatever. :p
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Re: Obama's Birth Certificate (aka. HLP I Am Disappoint!)
or Hawaii had a physical document in a large binder and then at some point copied a bunch of them onto copy proof paper and then digitized them.
but even if this were all true, he got Osama, I don't care.
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or Hawaii had a physical document in a large binder and then at some point copied a bunch of them onto copy proof paper and then digitized them.

Well, both files have dates on them of April 25th, 2011 - dates that you really only get to appear like they do by being printed. Whatever was done to them by whatever incompetentate was done recently. :p
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Wow geez, I was considering posting something like this as a tin foil hat joke... 
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The problem is, even if he had released something that looked even more legit, the idiots who didn't believe him before would still be unconvinced.

Honestly, I am disappoint in Sandwich for posting this conspiracy theory bull****.


Actually a few conspiracy theorists have correctly stated that this is all a distraction from important issues like the impending demise of the dollar as the preffered reserve currency.
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Correctly? Lol

 

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The problem is, even if he had released something that looked even more legit, the idiots who didn't believe him before would still be unconvinced.

Honestly, I am disappoint in Sandwich for posting this conspiracy theory bull****.
Actually a few conspiracy theorists have correctly stated that this is all a distraction from important issues like the impending demise of the dollar as the preffered reserve currency.

Even if that were actually true (it probably isn't, I believe that Obama simply wanted to hit Trump et al with a "here's the birth certificate, you bloody morons, can I get to work now?"/"Oh, hey, that bin Laden guy? Killed him. Deal with it." double whammy), no true conspiracy theorist would ever let something like a fact stand in his way. People who engage in those activities have a remarkable tendency to always try to get the last word, or at the very least, make some "BUT: .... " stinger statement.
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By the way, I trust that there is a general recognition that one doesn't have to be a classic conspiracy theorist in order to have doubts here and there about various things the media / government / whoever says, right? Don't believe everything you read; don't take everything at face value; etc? I'm not saying that this, that, or the other thing is a conspiracy... I'm just saying that there are indeed times when the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is not what's being communicated. :)
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Oh, sure. If you believe everything the government tells you is on the level, I've got a lovely piece of lunar real estate waiting for you.

But there's a difference when it comes to stuff like this, I believe. Believing that the President of the US wasn't born in America despite him having proven just that years ago in front of whatever commission checks these things, is just as moronic as the belief that the moon landings were faked.

The belief in this particular brand of stupidity requires a corresponding belief that dozens, if not hundreds of people were in on it, all of whom being so loyal to the President that they are keeping their mouths tightly shut. Human beings, especially politicians, really aren't that good at keeping secrets.
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But there's a difference when it comes to stuff like this, I believe. Believing that the President of the US wasn't born in America despite him having proven just that years ago in front of whatever commission checks these things, is just as moronic as the belief that the moon landings were faked.

Although you have to admit that when the WH officially releases proof, and that proof has many of the hallmarks of a digitally altered document, it's bound to raise questions stir up more doubt about the situation than it assuages. ;)
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Yes, but I am more inclined to believe in incompetence than in conspiracy. Incompetence happens far more often.
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Yes, but I am more inclined to believe in incompetence than in conspiracy. Incompetence happens far more often.

Indeed it does (at least, we're supposed to think it does... :nervous: :p). However, it's still somewhat staggering that this level of incompetence was put in charge of a government..... wait, no it's not. :p

My extensive computer graphics experience was what told me that the kind of digital alterations made to the file didn't make sense if the intent had been forgery, which is why I did the amount of snooping that I did - and it took a good amount of snooping to realize why these documents were so odd. For someone without said experience, it's very easy to see why they would suspect a conspiracy due to the obvious signs of "forgery" in the documents. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I can certainly understand why anyone (especially those prone to believing in conspiracy theories) would have their suspicions about the president's veracity given the fuel the WH has kindly provided for the flames of conspiracy. :)
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Maybe that was their plan all along!?!
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