[WMCoolmon]

Comments:
1) It's upside-down
2) It needs poly optimization, if it has that many polys. I'm sure I could make a huge square with a couple million polys but I'd be wasting my time and effort
3) The Orion designs from Freespace 2 looked better than this.
4) It's too rounded. If you look at all the Terran designs from the game, you'll find they're pretty blocky. Check out the Apollo from the Freespace 1 intro. THAT is certainly not a low detail or bad quality model
4) This is Freespace, not Event Horizon.
5) Finally, the original is not a "box with some textures". This is a box with some textures, but the in-game Orion model is a very good exmple of low-poly modelling

[Bobboau]

the Orion is one of the most stunning works of polymodeling I've seen, it takes a simple disign and gives it an atitude, the thing just looks big, just by the shape and form and the complexity of the textures, it has sutle lines intersecting at great angles with paralel and perpendicular lines everywere,
it looks hard and industrial, the way the fighter bay and launch pad sweep together and intigrate into the hull in the industrial style, and the slight details are added in such as the sensor arrays along the bottom, in this model every poly adds a very personified element,
not a poly waisted

I am still amased every time i see it by the simple beauty and graice, the sheer polygonal effecency, and the potent terran pride it represents




now could someone at least discribe this new model, becase it refuses to load on my end

[CougEr]

First of all I'm sorry about the images not loading.

 My Isp assures me the problem with their free hosting serveri t's temporary.

No point in transferring all 8 images to another server.

Let me explain.. I know it is not quite the way I want it to be yet. but to breack the bordom of modelling I deceided to run a few renders in lay out with one light

[Bobboau]

well i seem to be the only one aflicted by this, wich is odd, there is usualy more than just one person to have these problems, boy I must just be the luckiest human on Earth

[CougEr]

Gee I never expected such a critique.

I should have never posted before conpletion.
 
Anyway.  That is an ORION CLASS CApital Ship.

That I am sure.  No texture made  those are some of my presets. not even sized.
 I have not done the sides yet. either that a poor attempt to that banjo looking hub on the side.

Not the prettiest of ships.

I agree with everyone  it lkooks like crap.

Hooo well less than 4 hous in all

[Ryx]

Well, It's a WIP so it's still early. At the moment it's too round, that's my main problem. That it doesn't resemble an FS2 Orion (in-game) is no partiular problem. Variation never hurt anybody.
Just don't go overboard, when doing these WIP pics.  I mean something like this, btw.

Anyway, keep 'em coming!

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by CougEr
Gee I never expected such a critique.

I should have never posted before conpletion.
 
Anyway.  That is an ORION CLASS CApital Ship.

That I am sure.  No texture made  those are some of my presets. not even sized.
 I have not done the sides yet. either that a poor attempt to that banjo looking hub on the side.

Not the prettiest of ships.

I agree with everyone  it lkooks like crap.

Hooo well less than 4 hous in all

Never a good idea to post wIPs

It's not too bad looking....but it is woefully underdetailed in certain bits, and I'd have to say it needs a lot of work - especially on yer sides.

But then again it is Wip... you oprobably should have mentioned that at the start, though

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
This is a box with some textures, but the in-game Orion model is a very good exmple of low-poly modelling

Dammit, I've seen it SO many times, but it's still funny...

[Styxx]

Well, it is a good idea to post WIPs, if you want some sincere critique - and that's exactly what you got here. We're just trying to help.

I think that a hi-poly version of the Orion should at least follow the same basic shape, exchanging the details that are represented by textures on the in-game model by actual modelled detail... but that's just my opinion.

[Ryx]

I actually feel tempted to try modeling a hi-poly Orion. Too bad that all my attempts at hi-poly stuff ends badly. Oh well, It'll come to me.
I hope...

[LtNarol]

either make it a higher poly version of the original by making it more detailed (like styxx said) or name it the Orion Mk II

[beatspete]

Originally posted by Bobboau
the Orion is one of the most stunning works of polymodeling I've seen, it takes a simple disign and gives it an atitude, the thing just looks big
 

I totally agree, i love the origional Orion, it just has "TERRAN DESTROYER" writen all over it.  It looks so terran, its the best example of something looking 'terran'.
Shame they are crap in battle. :doh:

As for this new model, im not too sure .  It looks like its the right way up, not just an upside down orion, but it looks more like a cruiser at the moment.  Remove the attempt at a sensor array, and put a normal satalite dish on the top towards the back, add a few sticky-outy turrets and it might look alright.  To make it look bigger, make the lights/windows at the front smaller, and maybee add some of the black and yellow window texture used on a lot of the origional freespace ships.

pete

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by LtNarol
either make it a higher poly version of the original by making it more detailed (like styxx said) or name it the Orion Mk II

Yep.

[Ulundel]

Originally posted by LtNarol
either make it a higher poly version of the original by making it more detailed (like styxx said) or name it the Orion Mk II

I don't like the mk II ideas. Very, very overused.

[Mr Carrot]

Question, where are the three different types of orion in FS2, surely your not counting different weapon arrangments as completely different crafts?

[LtNarol]

no, its actually 3 models: capital01-a, capital01-b, and capital01-c

each has a different nameplate, a is the Galatea, b is the Bastion, and c is just plain

as for orions sucking in battle, what have you been drinking?  Orions make for some of the best flank weapons, blockade barriers, and overall weapons ever.  Ever seen on dish out a broadside to a Ravana?

[Corsair]

Originally posted by LtNarol
no, its actually 3 models: capital01-a, capital01-b, and capital01-c

each has a different nameplate, a is the Galatea, b is the Bastion, and c is just plain

wrong. c is the Haydon.

the plain normal one without a namplate is just Capital01-05. the Galatea is Capital01-05a and the Bastion is Capital01-05b.

and d (at least on my computer) is the GTD Messana.

[CougEr]

One version actually has a slide ramp on one side..
 That's the difficulty in trying to model one version sourcing from 3 different models.
 However this version has been firstly screencaptured in a specific mission. allowing any angle and position of my crtaft.
So in all You have this model i made up there.

the comm array at the fron is existant on this version allthough I probably went a liittle overboard.

There are so many other things I still have to boolian out of the main hull and add some small dettails like railings (extra polis) and split levels decks.
Then, if I could have a clean JPG of the maps I could attempt to modell the varios tubes and bulkheads.
Like this I can't make sense of them.
As an aid to this commited work (which I will share with everyone here up on completion. LW modellers or not) would anyone have the original maps of the 3 different orions.
Like this I will make a templet on Adobe Illustrator, tracing the relevant parts and import the illustrator vecta file in Lightwave modeller and attempt to extrude it.
 That should make the angles and the dimension of the dettails in the map feasable in LW modelling.
 I might even be able to copy some seamless images for texture to use in mapping after the dettails.
Let me know.
 I'm in Far North Queensland in Tropical North Australia I have my tower but a real ****ty 800X600 monitor.

[Mr Carrot]

Ok so we have 3 different engine/fred names which mean minro cosmetic changes in the form of namplates.......... i dont see how this could be seen as 3 different ships and thus confusing the overall model?

And they all have the ramp on the side, thats the hanger, the bit below it is the "runway"

[IceFire]

One version actually has a slide ramp on one side..
That's the difficulty in trying to model one version sourcing from 3 different models.
However this version has been firstly screencaptured in a specific mission. allowing any angle and position of my crtaft.
So in all You have this model i made up there.

All three of those models are exactly the same with one exception.  Each model references a different nameplate texture.  One is a blank blue texture.  One says GTD Galatea.  One says GTD Bastion.  There are no other differences, no ramps, slides, or water parks.

Now...if your trying to create a high poly version of the GTD Orion class destroyer from FreeSpace and FreeSpace 2 then what you've got there is not a good replication.  Not for any reason except that it looks nothing like the ship your trying to recreate.

On the other hand...if you are making a high poly model spaceship that is influenced by the Orion destroyer then its just fine, carry on  Do tell us which it is, then there will be less confusion and more constructive criticism.