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Offline Kosh

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/deficits-graphic.html?choices=0kjk02qz

Fixed that for you, AND brought you into surplus.

As I've said for a long while now, you can actually sustain most of your programs primarily through eliminating tax loopholes, taxing higher incomes at less-than-marginal rates, and reforming your broken health care system.  Cuts accounted for 32% of my savings, and were directed toward government contractors, some military spending (on expansion), and addressing some of the problems with US health care (malpractice reform, and medicare growth cap).

The US obsession with "evil" taxation (nevermind that low and middle earners pay the bulk of personal taxes, and the highest incomes escape through loopholes and Bush's legacy) is it's biggest fiscal problem.


So what about the current 2011 projected $1.645 trillion budget deficit? You've still got $1 trillion to go!
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Offline MP-Ryan

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
So what about the current 2011 projected $1.645 trillion budget deficit? You've still got $1 trillion to go!

I'm sorry, I can only work within the tool's parameters :P
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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Slashed everything except nuclear arsenal.

 

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Isn't this like the second or third time this has been posted? And it's not like this is the only forum I've seen this exact same link. Well it's more fun than Tetris at least. But lets actually do something interesting like talk about the actual issues. If anyone is up for that. So the first box says...

Cut foreign aid in half

Didn't click it. Wouldn't want to do anything to hurt our geopolitical leverage in oil producing dictatorships.

X Eliminate earmarks

Definitely clicked that one.

Eliminate farm subsidies

I'm on the fence on this one. Agriculture regulations suck, but American farm subsidies are already lower than those in most other developed countries the US competes with, and if we drop them and lose food security we've given other countries bargaining power. There's nothing particularly wasteful about dumping money into agriculture versus the rest of our service based black hole economy as it's a more capital intensive sector than most. I didn't click it.

Cut worker pay/state aid

Didn't click any of these, simply as any cuts to public services like education, research or infrastructure that might result are penny wise and pound foolish. After all the US currently spends 40% of what it needs just to maintain it's current level of infrastructure.
 
X Reduce nuclear arsenal and space spending

This could be done without any real cost. It's not like you need a whole lot of nukes to fry China, and until they start working on an effective missile defense there's no need for us to encourage them to first.

Other defense cuts

Didn't click any of these. Things are hard enough already in Iraq and Afghanistan. I could see withdrawing from the latter but in Iraq we have a shot.

X    Enact medical malpractice reform

An entirely reasonable thing to do, which has worked well in the states it's been implemented in.

X   Increase the Medicare eligibility age to 70

What can I say? I'll help Obama set up death panel squads while I'm at it.

X Reduce the tax break for employer-provided health insurance

Working people will lose coverage, which is bad. But pushing companies to pay for health insurance directly reduces their profit.

X Cap Medicare growth starting in 2013

This is at least a start in slowing the insane demand-push inflation we get from our mixed public private ****care system.

X Raise the Social Security retirement age to 70 + SS and disability cuts

Now there's no economic reason to keep those funded, is there? I would cut further but the darn thing won't let me. Those liberals at NYTimes are making me have to do tax increases!

Return the estate tax to Clinton-era levels

As silly and Reaganite as this sounds, the estate tax actually hurts growth by reducing accumulated wealth and therefore lowering savings rates. The effect on work incentives from inherited wealth is minimal in comparison as far as research shows.

I clicked most of the rest of the tax increases just to run a larger federal budget surplus. Budget surpluses tend to boost overall savings rates as well as improve the current account and trade balance. I didn't go for the capital gains tax, carbon tax, and bank tax though. A sales tax is a good idea in the US mainly because it hurts imports and will help bring world trade back to something halfway reasonable. Link, since everyone else did. In practice I wouldn't push for any cuts at this time as the economy recovers. 2014 is a good point to start. That sounds rather late, but cutting the deficit when the economy is still producing under capacity is risky.

This is all assuming of course that the current federal debt limit shenanigans play themselves out as usual.

 

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Aggressively cut programs, but didn't raise taxes by much: problem solved!
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/deficits-graphic.html?choices=fftr4230
Some highlights:
Farm subsidies: welcome to capitalism, where if you can't sell your product, you lose.
Reduce troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to 30,000: Why are we still interfering over there?  If they get all up in our face again, then we'll open up the can of whoop-ass.  Until then, the whoop-ass can stay closed.
Medicare eligibility to 70: Okay, maybe I think old people have been around a bit too long.  We're the first species on the planet to actively fight Darwinism.
Cap Medicare growth: I'll admit, I saw the huge number and said "savings!"
Taxes: I took Obama's proposal on investment taxes, added an income tax bracket for $1,000,000+, and eliminated loopholes while lowering rates.  That way, I can still tell my constituents that I voted to lower taxes.
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Farm subsidies: welcome to capitalism, where if you can't sell your product, you lose.

The actual productivity of the farm sector hardly matters. The bulk of the American economy (the service sector) contributes virtually nothing to science or industry either. What's important is that agriculture consumes large amounts of capital, which spurs industrial production.

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Reduce troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to 30,000: Why are we still interfering over there?  If they get all up in our face again, then we'll open up the can of whoop-ass.  Until then, the whoop-ass can stay closed.

Pulling out of Iraq now will risk letting the house of cards we built there fall apart. But if we can hold on to it we might get another 1 million barrels/day. That's a lot of oil.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Didn't we pull out of Iraq or am I just remembering a PR milestone?

 

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
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Farm subsidies: welcome to capitalism, where if you can't sell your product, you lose.

The actual productivity of the farm sector hardly matters. The bulk of the American economy (the service sector) contributes virtually nothing to science or industry either. What's important is that agriculture consumes large amounts of capital, which spurs industrial production.

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Reduce troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to 30,000: Why are we still interfering over there?  If they get all up in our face again, then we'll open up the can of whoop-ass.  Until then, the whoop-ass can stay closed.

Pulling out of Iraq now will risk letting the house of cards we built there fall apart. But if we can hold on to it we might get another 1 million barrels/day. That's a lot of oil.
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Offline SypheDMar

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Didn't we pull out of Iraq or am I just remembering a PR milestone?
Last I heard, we did.

  
Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
We still have "advisers" there.  They aren't allowed to do any combat though.
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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Didn't we pull out of Iraq or am I just remembering a PR milestone?

Still equivalent to a short division in the country.
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Offline Nuclear1

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Didn't we pull out of Iraq or am I just remembering a PR milestone?

Most combat troops are out, but the rest will still be there until the end of the year.
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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
The Iraqi army and the friendly neighborhood militias can fight now but the army is totally incapable of establishing a support infrastructure. US combat units withdrew in mid 2010 but they still have training and logistics assets over there. The US is supposed to withdraw from urban areas in a month and from the entire country by the end of the year. We'll see how things go. The private military contractors will probably remain, though.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
But I thought that raisin taxes was communist....

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
Yeah. Only dirty capitalists pigs dry grapes.

 

Offline IceFire

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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
But I thought that raisin taxes was communist....
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Re: Let's fix the federal budget deficit!
But I thought that raisin taxes was communist....
Having a government is probably also communist. :lol: