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Offline Scotty

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Re: Today in American Christianity
Read the article again.  The guy was already known (and by that I mean people knew he was, not as a moniker) as an atheist.  Cue shocked and appalled reactions when he doesn't pray.

 

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In other news, it was recently pointed out that people on the internet are very closed-minded on the subject of religion, and when challenged for it, forum violence went up by 30%.
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Make it easy. You have the prayer. Then something from every single other religion present. By the time they're reading from the litany of those claiming to follow the Jedi religion they'll realise the whole thing was a bad idea. :p
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Re: Today in American Christianity
1) "for me, the desire of the majority doesn't really matter."  What the ****?

This is actually a reasonable statement. The rule of law is the rule of law, and cannot, must not, be held accountable to the whims of the majority.
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EDIT:  Post Removed, It was a dumb thing to say.
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1) "for me, the desire of the majority doesn't really matter."  What the ****?

This is actually a reasonable statement. The rule of law is the rule of law, and cannot, must not, be held accountable to the whims of the majority.

You're right.  Taken as simply as that, it's a very reasonable statement.  However, the context he used it in referenced Christianity had "gotten comfortable" in places he doesn't think it should be, and it came off as if he thought his opinion mattered more than anyone else's.

It's since been clarified.

 

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Then who are you defending? Yourself? You claim you're defending someone else after all. There's no one else here for you to defend who's a militant atheist.

Your defense is uninspiring and unconvincing, as after all, to defend something you'd have to actually demonstrate something about it. You don't do that. You don't demonstrate anything on the offense either, though, so it's par for the course.

I don't think you know what you're fighting for. I don't think you know what you're fighting against. Nothing you've done has proved me wrong. Can you or will you make such an effort, or are you also white noise?

Good luck, NGTM, good luck.  You might want to skim pages 2-4 again.
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At the very least, he shouldn't need to bow his head, that suggests that he is 'playing along'. He should have just looked straight ahead, and then if people asked him why he was 'disrespecting' their religion, he could say he's not stopping them from praying, and why are they 'disrespecting' his atheism?

 

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Make it easy. You have the prayer. Then something from every single other religion present. By the time they're reading from the litany of those claiming to follow the Jedi religion they'll realise the whole thing was a bad idea. :p

This may be the most reasonable suggestion yet.

 

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Make it easy. You have the prayer. Then something from every single other religion present. By the time they're reading from the litany of those claiming to follow the Jedi religion they'll realise the whole thing was a bad idea. :p

I can vouch for this.

 

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At the very least, he shouldn't need to bow his head, that suggests that he is 'playing along'. He should have just looked straight ahead, and then if people asked him why he was 'disrespecting' their religion, he could say he's not stopping them from praying, and why are they 'disrespecting' his atheism?

As a religious person, I think this is probably the best thing the kid could have done.  He was more or less dealing with mismatched attitudes of people consumed by borderline extremism, not the religion as a whole.
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Re: Today in American Christianity
I'm sure this will get fireballs too but i'd like to point out that although Luis has been more than a little aggressive in his opinions in other posts, (I've had to wade through the Germany nuclear power thread and stuff), as of the first couple pages when i was throughly reading, most of the points he made were completely fair to make, particularly that a lot of people were suffering from a blindspot in their reasoning.

It's not just what was being said, the actual quality of several of the people's arguments in this thread on the other side, people who are usually extremely organized and rational in non-religious debates, has been a lot less than I'm used to reading in their posts here.

Religion has multiple meanings, it's both what's on paper and what's actually practiced. Now you still need some more specific wording, but if you want to use this and other incidents to say something like "Christianity in the southern US is fracked up", you're not exactly wrong to bring that objection, which is more what i think several people in this thread were fumbling at trying to say. Events like these do seem to be more indicative of the norm (in that area), even if they're not indicative of normal Christianity.

There are objections that could be brought up ('we've discussed this before' , 'you're rambling' , 'we're not getting anywhere, let's cut this off' , 'this is the umpteenth post you've made on this topic, we get it already' ) , focus on those. The other ones aren't as particularly valid as people seem to think they are.

At the very least, he shouldn't need to bow his head, that suggests that he is 'playing along'. He should have just looked straight ahead, and then if people asked him why he was 'disrespecting' their religion, he could say he's not stopping them from praying, and why are they 'disrespecting' his atheism?

As a religious person, I think this is probably the best thing the kid could have done.  He was more or less dealing with mismatched attitudes of people consumed by borderline extremism, not the religion as a whole.

Speculating isn't as productive, because then you get into an argument with someone else that posts an anecdotal story where that kind of thing caused just as much trouble, and then the two groups of you end up derailing the post arguing about which anecdotal story is less fair to bring up.

 

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Considering how much had already been assumed about this lads motives, reasons and reactions based on a single news story, one more anecdote wouldn't hurt.

 

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Thanks Dark. What really gets up my ass is when people like Battuta decide to voice Blake's law, in the most cliché (and insulting) way possible.

 

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Thanks Dark. What really gets up my ass is when people like Battuta decide to voice Blake's law, in the most cliché (and insulting) way possible.

What a stupid, blind misconstrual of an entire argument based on science and evidence.

Guess it's easier to fall back on blithe quotations than to reason.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Thanks Dark. What really gets up my ass is when people like Battuta decide to voice Blake's law, in the most cliché (and insulting) way possible.

What a stupid, blind misconstrual of an entire argument based on science and evidence.

Guess it's easier to fall back on blithe quotations than to reason.

It's the perfect summation of all your rants against the atheists in the house, and given your irritation, I'm pretty sure I'm right on target.

EDIT: To call your insults as "arguments based on science and evidence" is hilarious. Keep it up.
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Would someone just lock this trainwreck of a thread and be done with it?  The snarkiness is getting elevated already, and it's only going downhill from here.
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