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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
And Luis, I kinda want to know how WiH worked out in your mind when you were confusing those two ships. It must have been...surreal  :lol:

I was like "wtf, .... gROansnfnble... but I CAPTURED THAT "#%&"#$&"! "

Then I was like "yeaaaah perhaps this was covered by the fiction parts I didn't read.... (guilt)"

And then I was like "Yeah wtv, I have to change the diapers of my son, cool campaign kthnksbye!"


@Destiny, yeah well I wouldn't confuse a Raynor with it. Not that distracted!

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
An Anemoi and a Titan hardly look alike.

 
Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
An Anemoi and a Titan hardly look alike.

To be fair, when I look at the Anemoi, the first thing to spring to mind is not 'logistics ship'. The color scheme and basic design doesn't really reflect its function too well - it looks like a super-sleek destroyer that for some reason someone forgot to arm. Stick a few awkward looking docking clamps onto the side, and we might get the point a bit better.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
The tanks that surround it are what sell it to me. Despite the two being completely different in appearance, all the time playing Independence War 2 and looking at the Gas Transports (Big brown ships with huge tanks on them) I imagine the Anemoi having basically the same thing in those tanks if not other kinds of liquids.

 

Offline -Norbert-

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They could also store non-liquid stuff in there. It would actually make sense to prepare complete "tanks" at the supply base, then just switch the empty tanks with the filled ones and have the logistic ship going far faster than if you had to carry all the materials over with smaller transports, or through docking tunnels.... if they are detachable that is (in fluff, not game).

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
Stick a few awkward looking docking clamps onto the side, and we might get the point a bit better.
I believe the Anemoi did at one point have weird looking docking clamps (on a completely different model), but they had to go back to the current model because they couldn't contact the original creator.

 

Offline Ravenholme

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
Stick a few awkward looking docking clamps onto the side, and we might get the point a bit better.
I believe the Anemoi did at one point have weird looking docking clamps (on a completely different model), but they had to go back to the current model because they couldn't contact the original creator.

I'm going to guess it was the Goner Mobile Shipyard made by Mox of Xtended mod for X3R.
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Offline Darius

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
That wasn't a guess Ravenholme :P

 

Offline Ravenholme

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
That wasn't a guess Ravenholme :P

Wellll, it was a very educated guess.
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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
Hey, maybe vasudans enter the war, I remember that there was an attempted diplomatic contact with them, which ended in complete failure, because the terran sabotaged, and the captain of the destroyer vasudan I saw quite disappointed,
if vasudans actively enter the war, I think the UEF has no chance,

 the vasudans are much better than the terran, just be the end for the UEF, should they intervene

also it would help a lot of diplomatic relations between the terran and vasudans and would fight side by side against another "evil" enemy, The UEF

 

Offline Drogoth

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Yeah, after the crushing defeat at Saturn, Brynes Secret Project better be pretty bad ass or its game over for the UEF. Regardless, I think that in some form, there will be a reunification of Sol with the GTVA, whichever side wins, because the ultimate trump card still remains - the Shivans.

Think about it. The GTVA went to war to stop Ubuntu from spreading, in a way, they may have already won. They've hardened resolve in Earth to fight against them, and introduced Ubuntu to its first external test. I think that even if the UEF wins, the GTVA has still secured its goal, because the pacifism they were afraid of could not and would not have survived the war.

The vibe im getting off the message of the Vishnans in AoA about bringing the rest of the race to 'enlightenment' is that ultimately, Earth has the right idea. So I can see Ubuntu spreading, but i guess, 'Evolved Ubuntu', because the Ubuntu that developed on Earth can't work either, it grew in isolation. This war will have gone a LONG way towards teaching the people of the UEF that the universe is a cold and unforgiving place, and that the lesson they can learn from the GTVA is that they need to be ready to defend themselves.

Besides, if and when the Shivans return, can you imagine the awesome force that the combined armament of GTVA weaponry and UEF style weaponry could dish out? Allthough I've noticed we seem to refer to the  Shivan's as idiots who always throw hordes of fighter craft at their enemies until something breaks. That strategy has worked for them in the past, but who's to say they are incapable of changing their tactics and updating their hardware? They've been knocking down races for thousands upon thousands of years, I'm pretty sure they're adaptable.

Anyways, I'm rambling. I think, based on the imperatives laid out by the Vishnans, certain things need to happen to guarantee humanity's survival, and neither side will be recognizable when the dust settles.

While on that point though, I had to get past the whole Vishnan thing before I really thought about it. I never liked the whole spiritual enlightenment theme of AoA, it was a real departure from what I was used to. A good story by far, and I'm pumped for the next installment... but I dunno. I liked the Shivans when they were a roving genocidal force difficult to define and without any great purpose except perhaps they didnt like it when people started picking on other races (drawing from the Ancient monologues here). It felt more rewarding to think of an ultimate victory over the shivans as a product of our determination and military prowess then because we found enlightenment. Just my two cents, but its not my story, and its a good story, and im pumped to see where the final conclusion of it goes.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Good stuff Drogoth.

 
 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
It felt more rewarding to think of an ultimate victory over the shivans as a product of our determination and military prowess then because we found enlightenment. Just my two cents, but its not my story, and its a good story, and im pumped to see where the final conclusion of it goes.

In some sense, I don't believe it's possible to deal with the Shivans on a level except for militarily. The Vishnans actually tried, from a position the Shivans actually acknowledged as an equal, at the end of AoA and the Shivans still defaulted to CrushKillDestroy when the crunch came, facing a race that could easily be mistaken for gods.

At some point the Shivans will probably have to be fought regardless. The real question is when and how.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
"When" is "when we have a technological chance of doing so positively; "How" is a combination of technology, economics and tactics.

Given the advaces of Shivans in almost all of these aspects (perhaps with the exception of "tactics"), I would guess that "When" translates to "As Later As ****ing Possible", ALAFP.

 

Offline crizza

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With combined arms, they have a slim chance...
UEF ships with GTVA drives and reactors, pummeling the Shivans with long range fire, while GTVA vessels shock jump them, when their forward armarment is being taken out...

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
"When" is "when we have a technological chance of doing so positively; "How" is a combination of technology, economics and tactics.

We don't have to be able to actually beat the Shivans. We just have to make them think we can, or even, now that they've been revealed as rational or semi-rational beings, that mutual annihilation is on the table. Building confidence via a series of limited, controllable engagements and keeping a finger on the pulse of Shivan ship design and tactics are both goals that could be accomplished with existing means at the time of WiH, though perhaps not for long.

It would also do a lot to reduce their threat. One of the reasons the Shivans are such a big scary problem is simply a lack of knowledge about their capabilities and mindset. This is something you could reasonably cure by fighting limited actions and watching how they respond.
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Offline crizza

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It would also do a lot to reduce their threat. One of the reasons the Shivans are such a big scary problem is simply a lack of knowledge about their capabilities and mindset. This is something you could reasonably cure by fighting limited actions and watching how they respond.
Your last point was what the GTVA did during the second incursion...

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
Your last point was what the GTVA did during the second incursion...

No, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. For one thing, they would have shut the Knossos off on a schedule to make sure nobody got through.

For another, the way the Second Incursion was fought, in particular the attack on the gas miners, has always lead me to believe that the GTVA at some point actually went for broke and started cracking heads on a major scale. Attacking that sort of a rear-area operation doesn't read like poking them to see how much noise they make.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Is there any way for the GTVA to win?
In BP canon the GTVA higher-ups decided to see if they could press for a true strategic victory against the Shivans during the Second Incursion. NGTM1R's analysis is correct.