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Offline mjn.mixael

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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
GOOGLE

Or go to the iEmpathize website > Nav Bar > iExplore > Explore the issue.
(Can't directly link it because it's some flash thing.)

It doesn't give specific statistics, but it does give some ballpark numbers. I am not trying to rally for this organization specifically. I just know them well and happened to have worked with them often...

EDIT: I lied.. seems like there are some slightly more statistics further on in the iExplore section.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
So basically, they're making it up. Good cause, bad methods, you know the drill.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
Nice.. you didn't even look at the website. L:ASDKJGFOPDI I want to flame you harsly right now...

http://www.iempathize.org/Support/Explore_the_Issue.pdf

It lists sources. READ DAMNIT OR GTFO!

I mean seriously. How the hell do you go about arguing things without even clicking on the easily placed links. I made it so EASY. You didn't even have to google search!
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
So basically, they're making it up. Good cause, bad methods, you know the drill.

What the **** dude, there are sources right there and they're reputable. UNICEF for one.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
A quick google search of 'child sex trafficking statistics' brings these up in the first few links. Did you even try?

http://www.crisisaid.org/ICAPDF/Trafficking/traffickstats.pdf

http://www.dreamcenter.org/new/images/outreach/RescueProject/stats.pdf
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
Even if those source are just some lies....it is true that trafficking is one really ****ed up issue.  And those links from mixael makes the topic even more cruel.

And I trust the UNICEF-dudes.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
What worries me a hell of a lot more is a religious organisation picking on the vulnerable.

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The purpose of Courage House is to provide a safe, loving environment, with a comprehensive, holistic approach in mental health, psychosocial and educational services, in an RCL-12 group home setting for minors aged 11-17 who are victims of commercial sexual exploitation.

However, Courage House will be more than a typical “group home,” it will be a place where hope is given, healing is offered, and lives are restored by people who love and believe in them. The young women who come to Courage House will receive tangible resources to equip, encourage, and empower them to discover and fulfill their unique purpose. This goal is based on the vision that every person is uniquely created on purpose for a purpose. Commercial sexual exploitation robs these young victims of their identity, their value, and self-esteem. Restoring their identity as a valued child of God, with a purpose unique only to them, is the focus at Courage House. To do this, we will provide every possible opportunity to each female victim to find safety, security, hope, and love while offering an array of services targeting trauma and sexual exploitation treatment, recovery, and prevention.

The Our Beliefs section is especially sickening. If they really want to do something good for these kids how about not forcing religion down their throats. Absolutely not voting for this.

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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
What worries me a hell of a lot more is a religious organisation picking on the vulnerable.

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The purpose of Courage House is to provide a safe, loving environment, with a comprehensive, holistic approach in mental health, psychosocial and educational services, in an RCL-12 group home setting for minors aged 11-17 who are victims of commercial sexual exploitation.

However, Courage House will be more than a typical “group home,” it will be a place where hope is given, healing is offered, and lives are restored by people who love and believe in them. The young women who come to Courage House will receive tangible resources to equip, encourage, and empower them to discover and fulfill their unique purpose. This goal is based on the vision that every person is uniquely created on purpose for a purpose. Commercial sexual exploitation robs these young victims of their identity, their value, and self-esteem. Restoring their identity as a valued child of God, with a purpose unique only to them, is the focus at Courage House. To do this, we will provide every possible opportunity to each female victim to find safety, security, hope, and love while offering an array of services targeting trauma and sexual exploitation treatment, recovery, and prevention.

The Our Beliefs section is especially sickening. If they really want to do something good for these kids how about not forcing religion down their throats. Absolutely not voting for this.
And I thought Scientology would try something like this....
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
I like where this thread is going.

 

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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
While that may be an issue.. there is the problem that (at least in the U.S.) the government is hardly doing anything about the issue and so these kids are left with whatever organization will do something for them.

Stance on religion aside (let's not turn this into another "Today in American Christianity"), that is certainly better than a life of sex slavery.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
While that may be an issue.. there is the problem that (at least in the U.S.) the government is hardly doing anything about the issue and so these kids are left with whatever organization will do something for them.

Uhh, let's say Europe isn't that better. I would say trafficking is everywhere, you only have to dig deep enough.

There's not much trafficking in Germany (according to statistics)....but it is still there. I mean, you just have to see St. Pauli in Hamburg, it is a goddamn place which needs to be lit up.

And the governments are doing nearly nothing.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
A quick google search of 'child sex trafficking statistics' brings these up in the first few links. Did you even try?

http://www.crisisaid.org/ICAPDF/Trafficking/traffickstats.pdf

http://www.dreamcenter.org/new/images/outreach/RescueProject/stats.pdf

Those are meaningless. The first one lists more anecdotes then it does statistics! The statistics it does give are overwhelmingly about "at-risk", not actually engaged in. The second one gives such wildly varying answers (4 to 27 million, that's a variance of 675%!) as to be laughable, and the other statistics are dated (three years at best) and show incredibly regular patterns of growth (100 thousand every year, sure, let's go with that) that indicate either outright laziness or lies. It also goes back to the at-risk fallacy, only it admits the data it is using is over a decade old.

And you call this **** reliable?

It wants to shock me to get me to donate. It's pure scare tactics and I will not engage with an organization that attempts them.


EDIT: Even if the hundred thousand a year statistic is true, it's A: at best the industry is in slow rather than explosive growth and B: most likely not large enough to match proportionally with actual population growth, thus the problem is in decline already.

EDIT the second: And also, Karaj actually raised a pertinent point: this is essentially saying that "their masters are evil, therefore their submission to them is evil; our master is good, therefore submission to him is good"; where is the option for "we should not have masters; we should not submit"? From whence comes the evil of this practice?
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
You forgot the third .pdf I linked. Also, you forgot to google search. Also you forgot-

Meh, I'm done with this guy. He obviously could care a less about these kids and would rather argue statistics. Whatever makes him feel good I guess. /added to ignore list.

THIS IS NOT A TOPIC ABOUT RELIGION Also, I find it entirely detestable that some would rather get in a fuss over an organization that rescues kids out of sex slavery just because the organization is going to teach them some religion.. Many of you know my spiritual stance.. THIS IS NOT A TOPIC ABOUT RELIGION. I would rather have these kids be taught any major religion in the world than to be forced to live the life of sexual slavery...THIS IS NOT A TOPIC ABOUT RELIGION

If the local governments would do their job, the issue would be moot.

Also... THIS IS NOT A TOPIC ABOUT RELIGION

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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
+1 to the shocked into action rather than reasoned to it category, I guess.

(Also, the third PDF doesn't actually work, as when I try to access its direct sources most of the links are broken or use information over a decade old. Even UNICEF went for the emotional appeal on its front page, admittedly flanked by useful information on top and bottom, but...come on guys, you're supposed to be respectable.)
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
+1 to the shocked into action rather than reasoned to it category, I guess.

So glad I saw this before I found the ignore user button... (Note to self.. Profile > modify profile)

Dude, your just being a troll. It's a simple as that. There's plenty of evidence and statistics. You obviously haven't even gone to look for it yourself. I don't need to prove anything to you (even though that's the attitude you are taking). I've worked with this organization (iEmpathize). I've talked to girls who were trapped in this life before being rescued. I've talked with Brad Riley who's been to and helped shut down brothels. (By 'talked with' I mean, have' become good friends with' considering there's a highway intersection here in KC that is known for being a very popular child sex trade location. They come to KC often.) Scared into it? No... Actually care about someone other than myself? Very much yes.

To be clear, I don't care whether or not any of you donate or do a damn thing about. You want to argue semantics and statistics, be my guest.

I'm talking about YOUNG KIDS being forced into sex slavery. They are essentially raped multiple times a day and have no way out. That is so incredibly sick and wrong. Number shouldn't even ****ing matter. If it's only three kids in the whole damned world, I would try to do something about it.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
Dude, your just being a troll.

I've actually engaged with your arguments. I asked for statistics, you gave me statistics, I critiqued them, you ragequit the discussion.

I have, at all times, attempted to discuss the issue on points, to talk about the evidence you are using. You have, at all times, reacted out of anger and admit as much with every post where you lapse into angry gibberish or claim you're resisting the urge to flame or actually do flame.

If you're getting trolled, you're doing it to yourself.

It's a simple as that. There's plenty of evidence and statistics.

Old evidence, bad evidence. If this is a terrible problem today, then I'd like to see evidence from today, or at least the last year. As it stands, it looks like people stopped even being able to track the issue three years ago.

You obviously haven't even gone to look for it yourself.

I have made statements about the statistics offered including date of compilation, pattern of growth, and variance that would only be possible by viewing them. This is a blatant lie.

I don't need to prove anything to you (even though that's the attitude you are taking).

Then why are you in this discussion? Why did you take it up?


I've worked with this organization (iEmpathize). I've talked to girls who were trapped in this life before being rescued. I've talked with Brad Riley who's been to and helped shut down brothels. (By 'talked with' I mean, have' become good friends with' considering there's a highway intersection here in KC that is known for being a very popular child sex trade location. They come to KC often.)

So in so many words you're biased. Also, see the nature of anecdotal evidence vs. useful science.

Scared into it? No... Actually care about someone other than myself? Very much yes.

And **** you too, sir, for pretending I lack empathy. You protest slavery and perhaps even work against it in a peripheral fashion. I donate time to education and often to the poor of Tijuana, building housing. Which of us is engaged in servicing a more basic need?
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
Guys cool it...

A quick google search of 'child sex trafficking statistics' brings these up in the first few links. Did you even try?

http://www.crisisaid.org/ICAPDF/Trafficking/traffickstats.pdf

http://www.dreamcenter.org/new/images/outreach/RescueProject/stats.pdf
^ He didn't post "These are statistics so you should donate," he posted "These are statistics so you should investigate for yourself." But instead of doing that you're wasting time shooting down a "quick google search."

 

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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
Hahaha what the **** guys.

Everyone and their mom knows that sex trafficking is a big and growing problem. Even ****ing National Geographic is on it. If you don't believe it's a problem, go read up, you'll figure out it's a problem pretty quickly.

What a pointless thing to have an argument about.

 

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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
He didn't post "These are statistics so you should donate," he posted "These are statistics so you should investigate for yourself." But instead of doing that you're wasting time shooting down a "quick google search."

In case you couldn't tell, those two overlap. Everything else you'll search for statistics overlaps. Everyone cites the same sources, though some have the grace to cite only the more recent ones and not the ten-years-or-more studies. This is a little worrying in and of itself, because it suggests not many people are looking at the issue.

A lot of places on the first page of Google search offer statistics of their own but don't cite sources. Even the wikipedia article's first two statements of extent are tagged "citation needed". The others for the article are sources that were already in the two .pdfs already discussed with about three exceptions, and of the two studies mentioned that took place within the last two years, one was criticized as being "bogus science", and the other, from the World Bank, dealt only with the economic impact.

If it exists it's a problem, but I'd like to know how much of a problem, kthnx? I have a limited amount of time and resources.
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Re: A huge problem you may have never even heard of.
Obvious silly joke is obvious. And silly.


Who said I was joking? :wtf:


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