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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
If this topic doesn't go back on topic with the next post, temp-bans are getting handed out.

You do not need women to discuss feminism, you certainly don't need them to discuss this kind of man-hating feminism.
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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Her crime is mostly, but not entirely, one of scale. A few criminal rapes are to be expected from any deployment of troops, even highly disciplined troops - just as a few noncombat murders are to be expected. She's right to point that out. But what Qaddafi has been accused of is systematic, institutionalized rape as a weapon of terror, which is not only a different kettle of fish but a much larger and nastier one.

Trying to equate the two is pretty dumb.

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Have a large enough military presence somewhere and rape is going to happen. Everything she said beyond that (i.e. about daughters kissing their fathers goodnight being sexual, and other gems) were incoherent ramblings of someone who should have retired years ago.
I'd like to think any topic can be discussed regardless of gender provided the people involved are rational human beings. In general I'm happy to discuss matters of feminism, female (in)equality etc. The only problem I have with such discussions is that all too often women who proclaim themselves as hardcore feminists are one of two types: an older one who got burned by her (ex)husband so now the entire male population are vermin, or a younger one with way too much time on her hands. Usually head filled with rubbish courtesy of the older one. There's no rational discussion with either of those types, so if I detect anything resembling that I get out of that discussion like a rich guy abandoning the Titanic.
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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Yeah but it's kinda sad that we allow people like Greer to present herself as a feminist unchallenged. She actually does her cause more harm than good because she gives credence to the view that some feminists don't want equality, they want to think they are better. Which, of course, allows certain people to dismiss all feminism as a result.
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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
What this actually boils down to is that people are insensitive, retarded, bastards.
Sex is irrelevant to the point.
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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Shock tactics like these have their place, and that is to get a movement started, wake the public up to the fact that an issue they have ignored for so long needs dealing with.

Feminism has moved beyond that stage, indeed as previously commented here we are at the stage where these kinds of comments are counter-productive and discriminatory against men, though she is also by association attacking the women serving by blanketing targeting the forces.  Womens equality, certainly in the UK, has gotten to the point that there are laws preventing certain discriminations, women not only have the vote but can also stand and have been elected to the highest political office in the land, women are also successful business owners.  If Feminism is not moving in the direction or at the pace she wants she needs to be talking directly to the MPs (men and women) and pushing for change.

Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed.  As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night.  It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.

Tbh Greer is more of a liability to everyone involved, time to stop inviting her for her comments and find someone who is actually in touch with contemporary feminist issues so they have something intelligent to say when they are asked for their views.
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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed.  As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night.  It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.

As an European, my first thought was... ah... yeah, what about the French then? Wanna insult a whole country next Mrs. Greer? LOL :)

Frankly...  in my eyes this whole thing is not about feminism, but rather mere attention-whoring.
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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Trying to equate the two is pretty dumb.

Not dumb, evil.

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
feminism should be declared a mental illness. seriously this crap has gone way too far.

Given that this brand of feminism is from like 50 years ago I don't think this is a particularly salient response, then again nuke

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed.  As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night.  It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.

As an European, my first thought was... ah... yeah, what about the French then? Wanna insult a whole country next Mrs. Greer? LOL :)

Frankly...  in my eyes this whole thing is not about feminism, but rather mere attention-whoring.
Isn't that what feminism is these days? (*unless applied to third world countries)
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed.  As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night.  It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.

As an European, my first thought was... ah... yeah, what about the French then? Wanna insult a whole country next Mrs. Greer? LOL :)

Frankly...  in my eyes this whole thing is not about feminism, but rather mere attention-whoring.
Isn't that what feminism is these days? (*unless applied to third world countries)

No, Jesus Christ.

 
Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
*Throws America into the third world countries category?
Happy now? :P
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."

 
Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Not to sound condescending but this is all really at the Youtube comments level of political debate. The only thing I have to contribute is hurr durr if women were in the military they would rape/perform violent crimes too.

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Not to sound condescending but this is all really at the Youtube comments level of political debate. The only thing I have to contribute is hurr durr if women were in the military they would rape/perform violent crimes too.

They are (and do, more or less)

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Yeah, why don't we remind ourselves about Abu Grahib and the smiley soldier lady on top of a bunch of prisoners?

But you see, that isn't a "real" woman. She was utterly corrupted by the patriarchal evil bastards, and is now a man with a vagina.

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Yeah, why don't we remind ourselves about Abu Grahib and the smiley soldier lady on top of a bunch of prisoners?

But you see, that isn't a "real" woman. She was utterly corrupted by the patriarchal evil bastards, and is now a man with a vagina.

Nobody actually says this

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Could you please attribute the quote in your sig to the Wikipedia article it was copy-pasted from (or did you eat the poeslaw there)

  

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Could you please attribute the quote in your sig to the Wikipedia article it was copy-pasted from (or did you eat the poeslaw there)

And here I was left thinking that you had outdone yourself in the trolling exercise.... I now learn it was merely a copypaste.

What a let down!

 

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Nobody actually says this

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Re: Thanks for the first wave of feminism but it's time to shut up now Greer.
Sorry bro, I can't troll like Judith Butler