[Unknown Target]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnynQzLo3aQ

Also at :40, is that the Grecian riot dog?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HPb46aK7hM

[peterv]

There is a peacefull protest for 23 days now in Greece, against the government and the "financiall aid" to the country.
Yesterday, the media decided to cover the protest and at the same time, those criminals entered the protest and did what they did, only for the world to see that we are not only lazy, unworthy and useless, but also violent.
All these are propaganda.
After the "riots", (nothing but an attempt to destroy the peacefull protest), people came back in front of the parliament and kept on demanding the resignation of the traitor that leads the government.

[Unknown Target]

That makes sense.

What's the story behind that dog, anyway?

[peterv]

I'd prefer you to ask what's the story behind the children who's life was in danger yesterday. There were ~700.000 people there and there's a spot with very dangerous stairs, right against the parliament.
The dog is just a dog and i didn't see it. I was trying to  keep people from panicking.

[General Battuta]

I'd prefer you to ask what's the story behind the children who's life was in danger yesterday. There were ~700.000 people there and there's a spot with very dangerous stairs, right against the parliament.
The dog is just a dog and i didn't see it. I was trying to  keep people from panicking.

You are a brave and decent man, sir.

[Luis Dias]

What is the current political situation there, peterv?

In 2009 you had elections, and I'm somewhat bemused by your political parties line-up as described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Greece
where you have two centric left and right wing parties, a communist party, a "coalition of the radical left" and a popular orthodox party.

I'm bemused because this is the line up for the portuguese parties:

A socialist party (which was until now in power), a "social democracy party" (center-right wing), a communist party, the "Left block" (a coalition of the radical left) and the Popular Party (which is constituted by right wing christians).


But apart from that, what do the people want in Greece? Elections, political renewal, what is exactly being discussed in the public forums, or in the tvs, etc.?

[General Battuta]

I am going to go out on a limb here without any information whatsoever and guess that the economy and debt are big issues.

[Luis Dias]

Hey smartass. I live in Portugal, i.e., somewhere inside of the ****storm, OK? Don't be a troll.

I was asking for a *very* specific notion. For instance, in Portugal we asked for FMI aid, and we had to sack the prime minister. I can give you the exact political contexts for this decision, what the people think about Socrates (yeah, our prime minister had that name, the coincidences are never ending I'm afraid), what the opposition has been doing the past year or two, what led to the meltdown of the gov budget, etc.,etc.

[peterv]

Luis Dias, in brief:
In 2009 our right - centric partie provoked elections, arguing that the country had serious debt problem.
Our left - centric partie (the one leaded by the traitor) won the election, arguing that there was no debt problem at all and everything would be fine.
A few months later, the traitor turned the debt (to banks mostly) to a mortgage debt to countries. (The mortgage covers literally the whole Greece).
To do that, the traitor violated the constitution. Our right - centric partie said nothing about it, and the rest of them did not react as they should.
What we want is to put the traitors in jails and change our politicall system, all of them. And most of all to cancel the "financial agreement" which enslaves Greece to other countries and to the IMF.

[General Battuta]

Hey smartass. I live in Portugal, i.e., somewhere inside of the ****storm, OK? Don't be a troll.

Yeah, that was totally unwarranted and rude coming in response to a properly qualified post. If you can't keep your calm in civil conversation, don't post.

[peterv]

The way i see it people, we' re all inside the storm. No need for fighting between us.

[Luis Dias]

Wow, so it is majorly even badder than I thought. Yeah, that guy should be definitely in jail.

Apart from the mortgage (which really is a big difference), Portugal's timeline isn't that much different.

In 2009, we had elections, the Socialist party had the wider majority of the parliament until then, and still won the elections, but with less than 50% of the parliament seats. The right wing tried to warn over the budget, while the socialist party invested majorly in debt with measures against the financial crysis (and lots of others which were only to win the votes like giving 3% wage rises). They subsequently failed the deficit objectives for that year and the next.

The right wing party changed their leadership and with Passos Coelho, the opposition party had to agree with 3 "Stability And Growth Packs" which were all about austerity to get their budget right. It never did however, and when the socialist party announced the 4th pack this year, enough was enough and elections were provoked.

We are heading the same dark path you are crossing now, with intolerable debt rates with the IMF...

[Luis Dias]

Hey smartass. I live in Portugal, i.e., somewhere inside of the ****storm, OK? Don't be a troll.

Yeah, that was totally unwarranted and rude coming in response to a properly qualified post. If you can't keep your calm in civil conversation, don't post.

As if you weren't making fun of what you thought was my distraction about what is going on...

[General Battuta]

Hey smartass. I live in Portugal, i.e., somewhere inside of the ****storm, OK? Don't be a troll.

Yeah, that was totally unwarranted and rude coming in response to a properly qualified post. If you can't keep your calm in civil conversation, don't post.

As if you weren't making fun of what you thought was my distraction about what is going on...

I wasn't. Please don't be disruptive, this is an interesting thread and I'd like to hear more from peterv about what's going on over there.

[peterv]

Wow, so it is majorly even badder than I thought. Yeah, that guy should be definitely in jail.

Apart from the mortgage (which really is a big difference), Portugal's timeline isn't that much different.

In 2009, we had elections, the Socialist party had the wider majority of the parliament until then, and still won the elections, but with less than 50% of the parliament seats. The right wing tried to warn over the budget, while the socialist party invested majorly in debt with measures against the financial crysis (and lots of others which were only to win the votes like giving 3% wage rises). They subsequently failed the deficit objectives for that year and the next.

The right wing party changed their leadership and with Passos Coelho, the opposition party had to agree with 3 "Stability And Growth Packs" which were all about austerity to get their budget right. It never did however, and when the socialist party announced the 4th pack this year, enough was enough and elections were provoked.

We are heading the same dark path you are crossing now, with intolerable debt rates with the IMF...

Yeah, we are monitoring what's happening in Portugal, Spain and Ireland. It's actually a war declared from banks to nations.
E.U. looks defeated so far.

[Unknown Target]

I'd prefer you to ask what's the story behind the children who's life was in danger yesterday. There were ~700.000 people there and there's a spot with very dangerous stairs, right against the parliament.
The dog is just a dog and i didn't see it. I was trying to  keep people from panicking.

I did not know that there were any children whose lives were in danger. I'm sorry for that.

However if your goal was to keep people from panicking then I am happy you were there.

[peterv]

This is actually our fault Unknown target. We should work better to inform people around the world about the real situation in Greece.

[Unknown Target]

Do you have any links to videos, twitter feeds, blogs, etc that I could follow to stay better informed, or send to others? Some movements have used a few basic hash tags so posts about them are easier to search for.

[peterv]

Max Kaiser explains things in severall videos in youtube.

For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCR2k4keMQ&feature=player_detailpage

[Unknown Target]

Thanks, the woman on that show was really informative.