[peterv]

Here's a better one, from a blog: http://grcrisis.blogspot.com/

[Unknown Target]

Thanks, that's a great resource.

I find a few things interesting; one that they say that they were not under a syndicate banner, yet they say it was all organized on Facebook. To an American, at least to me, as an American, Facebook is what I would consider a corporate banner. It's been so exploited and manipulated and twisted over here that I see it as part of the issue. :\

I also thought there might be an opportunity for people around the world to start connecting and talking about good values to base governments on - perhaps there can be a global movement, a central forum community that houses areas for each different country or land area? Just a thought, I know it's out there.

The thing about the "global elite" is also really interesting; that is showing up a lot in a lot of different channels. The military exercises stuff was also an interesting read.

Thanks again for the link.

[peterv]

I agree about the Facebook and twitter.
It was not organized in Facebook. There was a "war" there, between people who tried to prove that what happened had nothing to do with the government and the rest of us.
It was actually organized in blogs, chatrooms and via cellphones.
We defenetelly must start connecting and talking about good values, this is very important these days.

[Unknown Target]

Someone from the revolution in Brazil posted this on another forum I frequent - see anything you agree with?

Greetings friends!
I’m posting to you the March of Freedom that will happen in Brazil next June 18. Follow the link to the manifesto (I have translated it right below) and all the cities where the march will take place, with times and locations: http://www.marchadaliberdade.org/2011/06/a-marcha-pelo-brasil/

#Manifesto March of Freedom

Call for freedom
Arrests, gunfire, bombs, shrapnel, murders. Across the country, legitimate protests are being suppressed with violent attacks of the police force. They want to silence us.

Avenida Paulista, May 21, 2011: Marijuana March. History repeats itself. Riot police, under the eyes of the government and the media, advancing ruthlessly on protesters armed only with words and songs. The images of the massacre to free speech, recorded by cameras, bodies and hearts, echoed in the network and impact on the streets with a thousand tear gas, causing outrage and sparking people from an anesthetic state. What government could want was happening: the people began to organize. This time, we wouldn’t put our heads down.

Seven days later, advocates of various causes, most victims of various injustices, were back at the same location to give a response to oppression. The streets of the city were taken by 5,000 people of all colors, creeds and flags. On the Internet, a multitude spread the message as a virus through social networks. That day, Brazil marched together by the same ideals. There was born the March of Freedom.

We are not an organization. We are not a party. We are not virtual. We are REAL. A network made by people of flesh and bone. Horizontally organized, autonomous, free.

There are few certainties. Many questions. And a belief: that freedom is an eternal work in construction. We believe that freedom of expression is the basis for all others: the belief, assembly, political views, sexual orientation, to come and go. To resist. Our freedom is against the order while the order is against freedom.

We call:

All those who are not intimidated, and who insist on not remain silent about violence. We rely on the legs and arms that move with the voices of those who do not agree. Leagues, chains, theater groups, dance, collectives, forest people, graffiti artists, workers, hackers, feminists, firemen, homeless people and the like. Neighborhood associations, NGOs, political parties, anarcho, blocks, groups and bands. All those who condemn the impunity that do not support repressive police violence, authoritarianism and conservatism of the judiciary and the state. That represses workers and intimidate teachers. That languishes in the public benefit of private interests.

Cyclists, will fight to end racism. Black, bring a rainbow flag. LGBTT, roar through the forests. Environmentalists, sing. Street performers, public transportation advocate.

Pedestrians, speaking on behalf of animals. Vegetarian, make a distinctive barbecue!

Our claims have no hierarchy. All agendas are complementary perspective on the struggle for an egalitarian society, for a dignified life, love and mutual respect. We are all pedestrians, drivers, wheelchair users, collectors, students, workers. We are all elderly, indigenous people, transvestites. We are all from the Northeast, Bolivians, Brazilians, mutts.

And we are free.

You have power! Our greatest weapon is awareness. Make a video, post on your social networks, and build your speech, talk at home, at lunch at work, in the range of the school. Share your proposals on the walls in his blog, on your wall. Meet locally, call your friends, raise your flags, go to the streets.

We are facing a historic change. For the first time we have real chance of winning freedom. The world is awakening. Get off the couch and get out there. Let us together build the world we want!

Spread the rebellion. # # Marchadaliberdade worldrevolution
Principles of Motion:
- Freedom of expression and organization;
- Against police repression and violence in every sphere of society;
- Against the conservatism that has guided the judiciary and the state.

General claim:

- Legislation to ban the use of weapons by police in social events.

[Luis Dias]

Yeah, it's a global kumbaya. I just hope we don't wake up in 2015 and wonder where it all went, just like in 68.

[Unknown Target]

I would think this "global kumbaya" as you put it is because people are waking up.

I hold out hope for the future.

[Mustang19]

You all realize that if Greece defaulted on its debt it might cause a continent wide financial crisis, right?

[Unknown Target]

It's not like the financial system as it stands is really fair or just, to be honest.

[Luis Dias]

.... I have never seen a "just and honest" financial system ever. But I do prefer one to anarchy.

You know, I happen to like not living under a bridge.

[Unknown Target]

Why do you immediately assume that the only alternative to our current system is anarchy?

[Luis Dias]

I was following Mustang's idea, that's all.

[Mustang19]

Wow CNN and Russia Today recruiters are going to be all over this board soon.

A financial crisis doesn't mean anarchy, it just means a likely recession. So what exactly is being posited here? A financial crisis is a good thing?

[Luis Dias]

It seems so. A financial crisis is perhaps not a problem since the financial status quo isn't just nor honest.

I think that's the gist of it.

[NGTM-1R]

Crisis precedes reform seems a more reasonable argument.

Pity no one's making it.

[Mustang19]

That's true in the case of Greece.

Doesn't mean a Greek default is desirable, as IMF loans to the country are meant to stabilize its finances on the condition of more privatizations.

[Unknown Target]

Crisis precedes reform seems a more reasonable argument.

Pity no one's making it.

You just did. I'd like to use that elsewhere if the necessity arises.

[peterv]

You all realize that if Greece defaulted on its debt it might cause a continent wide financial crisis, right?

I hope that you also realize that the debt of Greece cannot be paid along with the acceptance of the country's constitutional violation right?

[peterv]

Someone from the revolution in Brazil posted this on another forum I frequent - see anything you agree with?

One thing only: The fact that people over there are not organized.

IMO we're dealing with a perfectly organized enemy and we need to be as organized as possible to win.

[Unknown Target]

Can you elaborate on the enemy you're talking about?

[peterv]

For us it's the Greek government.
For the rest of the world we'll need a biiiiiiiig conversation.