[Bobboau]

I cannot wait for some random muslim country to try and extradite Hillary Clinton for not wearing a burqua.

[Mustang19]

Information doesn't want to be free. Information doesn't want anything. Creators, on the other hand, need to get paid; otherwise they can't make a living and they have to work ****ty jobs instead of creating.

****ty as in economically productive jobs instead of writing scripts for The OC or singing in an indie band.

Do you realize what kind of "intellectual property" you're defending? 99.9% of creative work is crap.

And I'm not just saying that to be an edgy teenager. I mean it.

[General Battuta]

Information doesn't want to be free. Information doesn't want anything. Creators, on the other hand, need to get paid; otherwise they can't make a living and they have to work ****ty jobs instead of creating.

****ty as in economically productive jobs instead of writing scripts for The OC or singing in an indie band.

Do you realize what kind of "intellectual property" you're defending? 99.9% of creative work is crap.

Oh, you. This isn't a defense of intellectual property, nor is it an argument contingent on the statistical quality of any given body of work. The majority of good creative work is produced because there is at least sufficient financial feedback to sustain the passion behind it. Somehow that needs to be maintained. Even Doctorow recognizes this; his argument is that giving your stuff away for free along with a paid release is profitable (and I don't necessarily disagree). The more extreme 'RPS comments moron' position I cited above doesn't even recognize that much; it paints the desire of the creator to be compensated for his work as something obsolete.

ahahaha here we go

[karajorma]

You were warned Mustang. Enjoy not posting here for a week.

[AtomicClucker]

I understand you don't spend much time in GenDisc so I can see why the context might be difficult to grasp, especially for someone who hasn't followed recent threads. But this isn't the Thunderdome; we only get in knife fights when it's fun. Please don't waste time trying to stir up ****, tia; the pros will handle it.

I do believe you missed the point.

Haha no I really didn't. People have no obligation to play Sisyphus; while Luis Dias threads are a perpetual source of fun I only play them when I'm getting paid. And as I explained above, this debate is one that rarely goes good places.

I've seen copyright debates bring out the worst in forumites; there was a topic similar to this on the Polycount forum that lead to the entire topic of piracy being declared a bannable offense and cast into the Twisting Nether. Hardened game developers turned into internet trolls, and posters who you thought were OK guys turned into mini-Hitlers. It's like a religion thread, but with copyright.

My firm opinion on the matter remains simple; Hollywood and Big Content will continue to give us krazy legislation that will lead to innocents being arrested, severe repression, and piracy will continue. It's better to work on selling a product and giving customers a reason to buy it, than fretting on how someone can steal it.

[NGTM-1R]

While I support some form of controls in theory, in practice, absent control of physical media, I am not entirely convinced that control is still possible.

[Kosh]

While I support some form of controls in theory, in practice, absent control of physical media, I am not entirely convinced that control is still possible.

There was an M$ project a while back to do just that. It was called Palladium and it would locked down windows to such an extreme degree it would have been completely impossible to circumvent. The project essentially just vanished.

An old article about it

[karajorma]

Not surprising, take away the possibility of pirating anything and most people would have converted to Linux or Mac OS within 5 years.

[NGTM-1R]

There was an M$ project a while back to do just that. It was called Palladium and it would locked down windows to such an extreme degree it would have been completely impossible to circumvent. The project essentially just vanished.

That doesn't really detract from my point, unless it didn't collapse due to technical issues.

[Kosh]

There was an M$ project a while back to do just that. It was called Palladium and it would locked down windows to such an extreme degree it would have been completely impossible to circumvent. The project essentially just vanished.

That doesn't really detract from my point, unless it didn't collapse due to technical issues.

I heard the reason was because the NSA wanted their usual backdoors into the system, but because of the way Palladium worked it couldn't be done so they forced the project to end. The other rumor is because it created some pretty serious image problems for M$ because of the way it completely trashed user privacy. Either way is possible.

[Spicious]

The trusted computing movement still exists.

[Kosh]

The trusted computing movement still exists.

Yes, but it is significantly watered down from what Palladium was intended to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computing_Base#Architecture_and_technical_details

They were going to put a specially designed chip into every pc that would use 2 mb internal encryption, with each key being specific to the system's hardware.

[headdie]

So basically they are on about using games console style encryption, and he have seen how that has worked out.

[Luis Dias]

I don't think you have any idea what I disagree with Cory Doctorow about, but you can feel free to make up some reasons and then argue with them (I can write you a chatbot to help if you like, we can even pretend I support DRM and am really stressed out about piracy)

Sorry, jumped the shark there. Now you know how I feel for about 95% of the time that I discuss with you.

And BTW, I never said anything bad about feminism.


EDIT: Having read Battuta's points in the last page I have to say that I am boringly in almost perfect agreement with him there.

My personal take in the matter isn't about how freedom should ring in a radical way, but more to the point that warring pirates is the silliest, nastiest, gravest, etc., thing that the government can do about it. And perhaps we find out that the gov shouldn't do anything about it. Not because copyright is "nasty" in itself, or because "Information wants to be free" or any other theleological shenanigan, but rather because there's too much to lose and so little to gain from it.

[Luis Dias]

It's better to work on selling a product and giving customers a reason to buy it, than fretting on how someone can steal it.

Spot on. That's Apple's motto, btw, and I'll guess the source of their success with the iTunes' store.

Not surprising, take away the possibility of pirating anything and most people would have converted to Linux or Mac OS within 5 years.

Well if that was true, then Playstation, Xbox or Wii wouldn't exist and make so much money.

[Kosh]

So basically they are on about using games console style encryption, and he have seen how that has worked out.

Except that PC's are open architecture, with hundreds of possible hardware combinations from dozens of different manufacturers. Plus this would have totally monopolized the PC's OS even more than it already is.

[General Battuta]

I don't think you have any idea what I disagree with Cory Doctorow about, but you can feel free to make up some reasons and then argue with them (I can write you a chatbot to help if you like, we can even pretend I support DRM and am really stressed out about piracy)

Sorry, jumped the shark there. Now you know how I feel for about 95% of the time that I discuss with you.

And BTW, I never said anything bad about feminism.


EDIT: Having read Battuta's points in the last page I have to say that I am boringly in almost perfect agreement with him there.

But do you agree the Cory Doctorow is a mediocre writer!?!?!?!?!?!nterrobang

[Bobboau]

Well if that was true, then Playstation, Xbox or Wii wouldn't exist and make so much money.

Because it is ABSOLUTLY IMPOSSIBLE to pirate a video game.

[Destiny]

Well if that was true, then Playstation, Xbox or Wii wouldn't exist and make so much money.

Because it is ABSOLUTLY IMPOSSIBLE to pirate a video game.

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you...some maggots out there are capable of putting PS2 games into an .iso and put it on the net.

[The E]

Your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning, you might want to look into it.

Also, all consoles have been cracked already.