[Mars]

Just looking at it, it does have a rather large target profile

[Rodo]

Ahh the Draco.... yeah, that one just looks like ****.

No offence to the modder, I just hate the model and the textures for some reason.

[Scotty]

You have never played as an Atalanta against Uhlans, have you ? I bet not. You need to play more multi.

It occurs to me that the rebalanced dogfight versions of WiH ships are the not the ships to go by.

I have played as an Atalanta against Buntu ships (woo playtesting your own campaigns), and it tends to beat the pants off of them.  It's markedly faster than the Persie, has more firepower that's sustainable for longer, has roughly the same maneuverability, and also side thrust.

Testing done on Hard difficulty against BP-Major skill enemies.

[Lester]

You have never played as an Atalanta against Uhlans, have you ? I bet not. You need to play more multi.

It occurs to me that the rebalanced dogfight versions of WiH ships are the not the ships to go by.

Uhh, no. Most Tev vs Fed dogfights actually happen in TvTs, which don't use #dogfight ship classes. So there.

[MatthTheGeek]

And most of the Atalanta/Kulas vs Uhlan I did was in coop anyway, Pre-Emptive.

[Snail]

Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.

[Hades]

Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.

You could just be a terrible pilot

[Buckshee Rounds]

Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.

Nyx could use more love too. Every bit an Erinyes MkII but more manueverable, just as durable and 8 banks of Balors is downright overkill. There's a reason these get called in whenever something needs killed, or utterly smashed to tiny little bits.

[MatthTheGeek]

I never said the Kulas was an awesome ship, and I never said the Atalanta sucked. The Kulas has some serious weakness, mainly thinass hull and only one primary and secondary bank. However, it's definitely more up to the Ulysses MkII role than the Atalanta ever was. Atalanta is clearly more a Perseus MkII.

[Mars]

Apollo Mk III

[MatthTheGeek]

Yeah, basically. Draco is also quite akin to a Valk II, although I have yet to fly it a bit more to get its feeling.

[-Norbert-]

Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.

Nyx could use more love too. Every bit an Erinyes MkII but more manueverable, just as durable and 8 banks of Balors is downright overkill. There's a reason these get called in whenever something needs killed, or utterly smashed to tiny little bits.

There are enough people in this thread who said they'd pick the Nyx, so I don't know why you think it get's too little love. And I agree, it definalty follows in the Erinyes' footsteps and improves on the predecessors concept very nicely, though I'm more a fan of the interceptors, hence why I loved the old Valk so much (and would love the Horus, if it wasn't for it's horrible firing points).

[Snail]

The Nyx is actually kind of deficient in a dogfight. It has an okay turning rate, but the AB time is kind of short and takes a while to recharge. Against more maneuverable things like the Kulas and the Uhlan, it can't really turn fast enough to get any shots in.

[X3N0-Life-Form]

The Nyx is actually kind of deficient in a dogfight. It has an okay turning rate, but the AB time is kind of short and takes a while to recharge. Against more maneuverable things like the Kulas and the Uhlan, it can't really turn fast enough to get any shots in.

Well, it doesn't exactly have the same role either, since it is meant to take out gunships rather than generic space superiority.

[Buckshee Rounds]

Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.

Nyx could use more love too. Every bit an Erinyes MkII but more manueverable, just as durable and 8 banks of Balors is downright overkill. There's a reason these get called in whenever something needs killed, or utterly smashed to tiny little bits.

There are enough people in this thread who said they'd pick the Nyx, so I don't know why you think it get's too little love. And I agree, it definalty follows in the Erinyes' footsteps and improves on the predecessors concept very nicely, though I'm more a fan of the interceptors, hence why I loved the old Valk so much (and would love the Horus, if it wasn't for it's horrible firing points).

Couldn't be arsed reading over anything than the first page.

Nyx is the murdering pyschopath of fighters, it's a hammer to the Kulas' scalpel.

[Kolgena]

Wait, people think the Kulas is good? I must be missing something, as I recall it sucked in AoA.

[MatthTheGeek]

That's because shivan fighters suck. You never flied the Kulas against anything light enough to turn circles around nearly all Tev fighters.

[KyadCK]

For the UEF, probably a Kent unless i'm fighting a Kent in which case I want a Uhlan. For the GTVA I have to pick the Uly (though the Atlanta comes in at a close 2nd).

[LordPomposity]

Wait, people think the Kulas is good? I must be missing something, as I recall it sucked in AoA.

Oh, come the hell on. You can't judge an entire class of fighter solely by how good or bad it is at disarming Shivan beam cannons.

[Mars]

Forced Entry was a bit more involved than that.