[Grizzly]

Furthermore, in Black Wolf's first link, how come he does not address that ice grows back in winter, and that we've seen much more ice the past years, or do I misinterpret his words?

That ice grows back during winter and melts down during summer is so bloody obvious that it does not need explaining.

And we haven't seen much more ice in recent years. Where the hell have you been?

I'm aware, MP-Ryan, and I agree - It's just that every time a shooting happens, a trail of gun control and other stuff jumps up, and people are hesitant to wield weapons for a while.

Would not the opposite be true? People who own guns are more likely to carry them because you may never know when this sort of stuf happens again and you best be prepared?

[JCDNWarrior]

That ice grows back during winter and melts down during summer is so bloody obvious that it does not need explaining.

Exactly the point. That's what the likes of Al Gore and IPCC try to avoid to mention by claiming it's only getting worse.

Furthermore, the organisation seems to be rather discredited according to Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/69_say_it_s_likely_scientists_have_falsified_global_warming_research

That combined with the other headline of yesterday:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14408930

Now if the coming years it drops by 50% I will fully agree. Yet as said in my earlier post, we worry about ice water while there's way more worrying and real environmental problems around that aren't being focussed on.

Would not the opposite be true? People who own guns are more likely to carry them because you may never know when this sort of stuf happens again and you best be prepared?

In a free society it would, yet for instance in the partially disarmed Europe it's a lot different, you'll be arrested before you know it.

Nonetheless, back to subject, there's a lot of tunnel vision on subjects like these. Nothing truly helpful is being done for polar bears yet we're supposed to pay some special tax in the future to do something about it - just like how donation funds for Africa never actually arrive at the population.

[Grizzly]

Exactly the point. That's what the likes of Al Gore and IPCC try to avoid to mention by claiming it's only getting worse.

Riiiiiiiiiight. They off-course do not mean that, in general, there continues to be less ice on the poles because more melting is done during summer then re-freezing during winter can replace? did you even read the link I showed you?

In a free society it would, yet for instance in the partially disarmed Europe it's a lot different, you'll be arrested before you know it.

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Now if the coming years it drops by 50% I will fully agree. Yet as said in my earlier post, we worry about ice water while there's way more worrying and real environmental problems around that aren't being focussed on.

Its not really a problem persé, but it is a supposed indicator that global warming is actually happening (then again, we have only been monotering the artic ice levels for a relativily short period).

[watsisname]

Now if the coming years it drops by 50% I will fully agree.

It already has.  You really ought to pay better attention to the topics you try to argue about.

Just this last July saw the lowest monthly-averaged extent on record.  The trend is down, down, down.  I don't know how you actually think you can argue that we're seeing more ice in recent years.

[Scotty]

I had hail hit me in the head a couple weeks ago.  Hail is ice.  This means there is obviously more ice in the northern hemisphere during summer than in previous years.

[StarSlayer]

I had hail hit me in the head a couple weeks ago.  Hail is ice.  This means there is obviously more ice in the northern hemisphere during summer than in previous years.

This means there is obviously more damage to causation recognition skills due to hail strikes than correlation

-sorry I figured you were being silly but I figured I'd roll with it anyway

[Nuke]

mother****ing polarbears! go eat a seal. i get mah deser eagle and cap yea!

[Snail]

mother****ing polarbears! go eat a seal. i get mah deser eagle and cap yea!

yeah you go get 'em

[BloodEagle]

mother****ing polarbears! go eat a seal. i get mah deser eagle and cap yea!

Be sure to videotape the expedition. 

[Mika]

UPDATE:

According to the media here, the person who shot the polar bear was the oldest of the people that were injured. There is no English translation text available, and I'm pretty sure translation tools will inevitably **** up Finnish to English translations, so I don't even try to link it here.

At least three of the campers were indeed sleeping, and the shooter had to drag himself to the tent to find his rifle. This means the bear got very close unnoticed and no-one had anytime reacting to it.

The location of the camp lies directly on a route that is frequently used by polar bears. Finnish specialist on this area says this is a place where you should have had a guardsman outside all the time. The cause of missing alarm from the tripwire is to be determined, but it is suspected that the wire has been set too high.